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and good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio it's october and i'm

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sean the fork chop forker alongside my

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good friend

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lon strickler lon how you doing tonight

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good man oh hang on in there man

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got a great guest tonight on the program

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stan gordon

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is going to be joining us later

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legendary pennsylvania

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researcher and investigator of the

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unexplained stan gordon joining us at

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about 10 30

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for a good interview tonight going to be

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talking about the stranger cryptids

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of pennsylvania but i guess long before

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we get into that

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we got our own stuff to talk about

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tonight our canine

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friend made his appearance again here

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not too long ago

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yeah this um this central pennsylvania

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bipedal

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k-9 investigation is continuing as

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we you know as we promised

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uh we got rained out this past weekend

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because of

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storm and

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whatever but uh you know everybody had

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rain this weekend so

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they pushed it back up so it's going to

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the week of the 23rd i think he's got it

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it's kind of raining around here

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i'm not going to yeah it was wet

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everywhere i mean it was you know down

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here was soaked

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so anyway we got a um

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and i'm not going to be specific but we

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got another report

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up in schuylkill county uh

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in the area of shimokin so that's

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two we've got from that area now um

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so you know the dog man or whatever you

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want to call him is making himself known

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and uh you know actually this this

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sighting was

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you know it was you know another one of

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those where this thing was seen on the

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side of the road again and

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uh you know i'm just wondering if it's

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what it's doing is picking up

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roadkill uh it's it's may seem that way

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i i don't know

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you know there was nothing specific

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about that

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but uh you know i've heard other reports

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in other areas about these things being

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on the side of the road so you know

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maybe that's what they're doing

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yeah that's if that's the only way we

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get to see them well that's at least we

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get to see them then i don't want to

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render one

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eating something alongside the road

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gross well you know i you know

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especially if you're driving run up on

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this thing

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so we're looking forward to that and

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seeing what we can

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you know see what we can find uh see

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the team can find uh

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we had a little something happen this

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past weekend

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uh that we had our fingers and toes

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crossed but it just didn't work out we

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thought we might have had some good

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yeah it kind of petered out on us so an

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exciting 24 hours anyhow that we were

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wrong

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didn't work out that way but it was uh

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interesting nonetheless

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yeah yeah yeah it's going so um

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p and like we said if anybody's got a

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report let us know about it

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you know you can contact me at fans of

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monsters or you can contact

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butch over it uh you fork

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ufo researchers of pennsylvania

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research center of pennsylvania you four

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cop

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and butch will respond because budget's

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pretty much the man

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he gets the job done yeah you know

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you know he's uh he's great

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investigators never financial buts about

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it

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and butch is going to be joining us on

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the show

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in near future so um uh

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that'll be interesting and uh you know

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what we'll be talking about

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that pesky mangy dog man

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you know it you know and you know of

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course uh

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stan's gonna be on with us tonight so

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we're gonna talk to him about this

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and uh you know he's in this case that

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we had out in denver he referred that to

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and they're still working on that jack

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jack and the jc

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are still investigating that and um

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there's some areas out there outside of

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denver that they're

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looking at and apparently they have been

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some more sightings so we'll see

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yeah i hope so i mean we've really gone

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to great lengths to get information

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about this

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this creature but that denver sighting

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pretty much the genesis of all these

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setting reports that we've been

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receiving and that you and butch and the

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team have been investigating

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and i can't wait to get out there and

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actually do some investigating on this

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myself

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yeah you know we i i had uh well linda

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godfrey and i had both been getting a

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lot of

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reports out of southern canada southern

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and uh you know they were it was

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how they were bunching up there uh

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ontario but then all of a sudden we got

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this thing out in denver

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and for whatever reason

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you know that information came out then

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near denver and jack was checking that

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all of a sudden you know now we did have

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this we did like i said we had this

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last year from penn penfield that

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got butch received and then we got

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another one near penfield that was sent

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and just and right after that he just

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so what i think's been going on you know

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we've been putting it out there and

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who have seen these things are starting

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to come forward which is great

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you know uh the more we get the merrier

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document and uh that's what we're trying

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hopefully we're going to come up with

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something tangible to prove these things

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not just figments of imagination so well

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we'll keep at it a pledge to keep on at

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yep so uh you know as far as this week

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continuing with that i only got one

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decent report this week

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uh and that thing had something to do

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with that hurricane

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for uh for whatever it was worth it

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really didn't kind of pan out the way

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people thought it was

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thankfully yes very very thankfully but

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uh a gentleman and his wife

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had an encounter down there and i think

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the reason

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these two bigfoot were on the move was

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because of the weather

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but anyway let me uh let me read this um

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he said i got your email off the

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internet we live in mcclellanville south

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carolina

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my wife and i were out back last evening

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lawn chairs and a table into the garage

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there was enough light to see into the

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woods it was raining steady

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when i heard a few grunt sounds coming

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from the woods

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so i looked out the door and saw two

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hairy forms

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quickly walking through the trees about

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a hundred foot away

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now as i caught a glimpse of them the

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biggest one

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turned stopped walking and stared at me

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that's when i realized it was a bigfoot

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for a few seconds it just stood there

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looking at me

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the other bigfoot kept walking then it

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shook its head and let out a grunt

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and took a few steps in my direction

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i slammed the door shut and locked it

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my wife didn't see them and wondered why

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i was acting like i was

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and she still doesn't believe what i saw

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so the big one was very tall i'd say

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over eight foot in huge

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it was covered in ruddy brown hair

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and a dark colored face the other one

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was a few shorter i don't think i ever

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been so scared

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i've never seen anything like that in

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these woods or anywhere

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in this area we lived here for 27 years

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and i know the outdoors well i went back

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uh but there were no footprints even

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though it's muddy back or all this rain

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any tracks we had something bust a

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garage window

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out a few months ago but i had no idea

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who or what did it now i believe was one

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of these bigfoot

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thanks for reading my email uh

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so it's you know i called the witness

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that afternoon and

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um he had contacted a local bigfoot

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group which is i was going to give him

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referral anyway

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uh so they're going to investigate

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whoever it is so

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he didn't have any additional

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information to the original account so

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that's all i got out of that

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so maybe i'll hear something i don't

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know you know so

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it's just seem to me that these they

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seem to be high tailing out for some

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reason

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oh i had 20 inches of rainfall there

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since last friday

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so he um now there was a gentleman who

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contacted me

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after he read this and said his family

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were actually some of the founding

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fathers of that town mcclellanville and

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he said that's

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that report doesn't surprise him because

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of the location

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it's right in the middle of a national

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forest

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got a lot of swampy area

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nowhere

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uh he said it you know it's near the

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coast but it's

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i don't know it's one of those coastal

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forests or whatever

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down carolina so um you know i think i

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it's just north of

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charleston so um

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yeah it does seem that it's a pretty

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remote area so

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you know maybe he did see something i

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think he did you know

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uh it does seem kind of unusual that the

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thing was

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took a stance like that and grunted and

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moved toward him

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uh that's kind of unusual especially if

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they were trying to get out of the area

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remember that episode of uh paranormal

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witness

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where they had the family at the farm

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that was

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surrounded by these wolf

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canid large canid type creatures

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yeah that was that uh uh that was that

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case that linda

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investigated that was up in maine i just

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watched that

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again and oh did you what what a

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situation

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yeah that was kind of scary um

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i think i think that guy was lucky he

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didn't get attacked i really am

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if you folks haven't seen it you need to

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watch

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i think it's the second season of

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paranormal witness i don't know the name

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of the episode per se but if you go

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through and look at the

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synopsises of each episode you'll see

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the uh

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encounter that we're talking about and

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it is a hair-raising

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encounter yeah they uh

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i don't know what they were i mean they

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were bipedal canines i don't know

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what exactly were though but uh they

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were big and they were scary and they

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were

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very aggressive and uh

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apparently they had going down in the

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woods

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and found uh

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i don't know what they were tunnels in

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the woods

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where they thought these things were

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residing where we're living at

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yeah so i don't know it it is a weird

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story but like i said yeah linda linda

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investigated she told me about it before

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the thing came on tv

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and uh much of his dram dramaticized but

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you know because they are gonna add a

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little bit to it but i i don't know

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from what i understand it was pretty

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close to what actually happened

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it was exciting yeah yeah it was

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yeah it kind of had me thinking there

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for a bit like i said we got stan coming

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on the night and stan

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actually posted some new information on

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his website today

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uh and he he's got a specific

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he's got a specific whatever i don't

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even know what this is that

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was reported to him from where else

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butler county

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and uh we'll have him talk about it

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he he's he wrote to me and said

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have you ever heard or seen anything

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like this i said no

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you know i don't know what that is so

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but we'll let him tell you about it

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it was uh pretty strange so no ruin a

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surprise

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no you know the so i think we want to

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talk to stan about some of the dogman

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sightings as well

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and uh you know this state

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you know as a whole even though it

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hasn't been as many as we're getting now

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i mean this these this phenomena has

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been going on here for

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oh god for at least a century so oh a

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long time definitely

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recording this stuff for a long time

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yeah so that's talking about it though

377
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the these citing reports have taken off

378
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yeah well and that's good i mean at

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least the words are getting out there

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and uh you know we're getting people

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that are

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you know coming out and not afraid to

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report it

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and i think it has a lot to do i mean

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people god you know

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if i i'd be quite hot this way if i saw

387
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one i don't think i'd want to report it

388
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uh i got to give people credit for doing

389
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it i really do

390
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well it's not like it's just a bigfoot

391
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report

392
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well you know you know that's something

393
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butch and i were talking about the other

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day

395
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you know we got all these bigfoot

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reports in pennsylvania of course

397
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you know we see the reports when they're

398
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when they're filed with

399
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pennsylvania bigfoot society as soon as

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they're filed you know they come right

401
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to

402
00:14:50,470 --> 00:14:49,120
everybody in the group but how many of

403
00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:50,480
these bigfoots

404
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supposedly bigfoot settings may actually

405
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be

406
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know

407
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descriptions could very well be that

408
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um it's something to think about i i

409
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actually i started going back

410
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and looking through all the reports i

411
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had received

412
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over the years and i did find one that

413
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may actually be

414
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not a bigfoot but an actual upright

415
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keynote

416
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so you know it's possible

417
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i assume it definitely is possible it's

418
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just not something that we've actively

419
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:37,360
been looking for or something we've been

420
00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:39,759
trying to gather more detail on until

421
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recently

422
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well you know linda's about linda and

423
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stan are probably been about the only

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two researchers

425
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that have really concentrated on that

426
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only according to jhc as well

427
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but you know it's it's not encrypted

428
00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:59,350
i don't know it did make the top five i

429
00:16:01,829 --> 00:16:00,399
guess

430
00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:01,839
uh you know everybody talked about

431
00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:03,600
bigfoot and then we get all these flying

432
00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:05,360
humanoids and

433
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:09,120
pterosaurs flying reptilian

434
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:13,680
type beans and you know but

435
00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:15,759
you know the dog man thing kind of took

436
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:17,680
a back seat to some of that

437
00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:21,199
but it's picking up and uh

438
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is there a reason upon it i don't know

439
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:24,399
possible

440
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:26,079
but i just think more people are coming

441
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:28,800
forward i think people have seen these

442
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:30,160
things but they've just been afraid to

443
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:37,990
have we had anything in the spiritual

444
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:38,800
realm

445
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:41,839
come to light recently any new and

446
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:48,230
i haven't received much of anything uh

447
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:48,959
that's been

448
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:52,240
really slow uh you know i'm still

449
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,959
working

450
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,959
with people from some of the older

451
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:56,639
reports

452
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:00,000
uh but the one i had

453
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:03,440
up in pennsylvania uh that

454
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,919
kind of worked itself out uh she was

455
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:09,520
she she's not been bothered now for

456
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:11,280
about two months

457
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:14,240
and uh she was very relieved because god

458
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:15,120
this thing has been

459
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:23,909
what it was i you know i really

460
00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:26,640
can't put a finger on exactly what it

461
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:27,520
was

462
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:31,200
entity

463
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:34,480
that was in a way malevolent it was but

464
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:35,360
it was basically

465
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:38,240
what i call a trickster uh i had

466
00:17:44,789 --> 00:17:40,400
something to do with

467
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:44,799
uh obey religion creole religion some

468
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,440
type of creole religion i'm not gonna

469
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:49,760
come out and say it was voodoo

470
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:51,919
though i guess you could say it could be

471
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some what related to that

472
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,400
uh but you know we did a lot i did a lot

473
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:00,480
of digging on it and

474
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:04,160
did a lot of research and consulted a

475
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,440
few people

476
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,600
and i think the things that we did kind

477
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:10,080
of stop this thing

478
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:13,600
in its tracks and you know a lot of this

479
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:16,559
you know and i told my clients look you

480
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:17,520
you

481
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:21,919
some of the stuff might sound bad [\h__\h]

482
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:24,080
crazy to you that i tell you

483
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:25,760
but you're gonna have to keep an open

484
00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:28,400
mind and you got to remain positive

485
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:29,360
that's

486
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,840
you know she took the heart the client

487
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:36,720
took it to heart

488
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:39,760
and um you know

489
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:42,320
she's had some personal issues as well

490
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,840
that she's getting straightened out as

491
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:44,720
well so

492
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,640
you know it all goes hand in hand but i

493
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,559
think um

494
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:50,640
but as far as this entity it hasn't been

495
00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:53,039
bothering her she's getting sleep now

496
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,840
which is something she hadn't been

497
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:56,640
getting uh

498
00:19:00,549 --> 00:18:59,760
so you know i think it's important it

499
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,559
worked out

500
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:02,160
i think it's important that you put that

501
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,440
out there you know it's someone

502
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:05,600
experiencing these things

503
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:08,720
to remain positive once the negativity

504
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:09,200
sets

505
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:13,919
in it seems that these forces just

506
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:16,240
suck it up like a sponge yeah it

507
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:17,280
compounds it

508
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:20,480
it's nuts and it just

509
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:23,600
you know really aggravates and increases

510
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:27,440
the uh abilities or the

511
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,679
intensities of these attacks from

512
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:31,039
whatever this

513
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,799
entity is uh it's

514
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and a lot of these each type of

515
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,640
incidents

516
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:40,799
the clients themselves can do a lot to

517
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:46,950
not only you know remaining positive but

518
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:47,440
also

519
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:51,520
using a few tools and affirmations and

520
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:52,080
such

521
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,720
to kind of lessen the effect

522
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:58,880
it may sound simple when you talk about

523
00:20:00,390 --> 00:20:00,160
it you know if we're talking about like

524
00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:00,400
it

525
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:06,159
client at the time

526
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,440
but you know it takes a little bit of um

527
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,280
you know i almost got to train them

528
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,200
sometimes the clients

529
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,440
you almost got to put them through like

530
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,360
uh

531
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:20,000
entity 101 class you know to explain

532
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:21,280
everything to them

533
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,799
and to explain what they should and

534
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:24,400
should not do

535
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:28,240
and uh you know it does seem to help

536
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,039
and of course with these types of things

537
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:32,880
there's always an aftercare with it

538
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:36,240
and uh you know if you go back to the

539
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,960
old ways

540
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:38,880
you're gonna get yourself in trouble

541
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:42,080
most of the time you know again so um

542
00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:45,200
you know you know it's all i i'd say

543
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,600
90 of these

544
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:51,280
oppressions and that's what it is it's

545
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:51,520
an

546
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:54,559
oppression are caused by something the

547
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:57,039
client may have done inadvertently

548
00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:01,039
or uh you know so when it happens and

549
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:01,600
you know

550
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,240
it sometimes it does increase or remains

551
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,280
the same

552
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,840
you get the attachment and then you're

553
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:08,720
really

554
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,480
starting to have a problem um

555
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:15,120
you know over the last couple years i

556
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,559
received a lot of

557
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,799
attachments more so than i had before

558
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,919
that

559
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,760
but for whatever reason you know a lot

560
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,080
of this is seeming to me

561
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,159
to be lessening now now i don't know if

562
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:27,840
it's because of the time of year

563
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,159
and i'll be honest with you summer is a

564
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:32,240
summer is usually slow

565
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,320
um it seems around the holidays and

566
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,840
i guess when people are home or with

567
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,600
their families and

568
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,280
you know they're not out running around

569
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:43,679
as much as they would be

570
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:47,039
during the summer months um

571
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,640
and i think they noticed things more and

572
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,360
that that's that's normally when some of

573
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,880
this stuff crops up so

574
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,320
i'm quite certain i'm going to be

575
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,520
getting calls within the near future

576
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,840
for something or for some type of

577
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:03,120
activity

578
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:06,559
and we just go with it you know

579
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:09,039
but you know my success rate with people

580
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:10,880
has been pretty good

581
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,760
and um you know i don't

582
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,280
there's i mean there's a lot of factors

583
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,280
involved with that but uh

584
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,720
you know i'm not gonna sit here i mess

585
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,320
up the back but it

586
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,400
there are a lot of factors involved but

587
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,000
it does take

588
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:27,919
the biggest thing is an open mind by the

589
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,039
client and being positive

590
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:34,000
well there you go words of wisdom from

591
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,039
lodge strickler

592
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,960
and for next week's affirmations no i'm

593
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,320
just kidding

594
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,320
but no you make a good point and you

595
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:42,080
know any little bit of uh

596
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,679
information you can share with folks i'm

597
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:45,200
glad they appreciate

598
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,320
you know when i was doing an

599
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,720
investigation down in uh

600
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,840
outside of pittsburgh i don't want to

601
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,080
give too much of the area away uh

602
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:55,039
when myself and the team arrived just

603
00:23:08,070 --> 00:22:55,840
the

604
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,080
like we're uncomfortable so before i

605
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:10,159
really did any kind of investigating i

606
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,200
really

607
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:13,200
recommended that they get professional

608
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,400
marriage counseling

609
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,880
that whatever they were about to go

610
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,000
through if they were going through

611
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,000
anything and if it was as intense as she

612
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,760
said it was

613
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,840
that they're going to need all the help

614
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,080
they can get from

615
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,360
people that aren't paranormal

616
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:29,120
investigators you know i'm not a

617
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,159
marriage counselor

618
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,640
i'm not a counselor i'm not a

619
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,000
psychiatrist

620
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,559
and i don't want to be in a one of those

621
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:38,080
bad situations if you know what i'm

622
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,799
talking about

623
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,640
yeah it was very uncomfortable for us

624
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,799
and after we left that night and we

625
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,400
spoke our piece

626
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:46,080
you know we were never contacted by them

627
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:47,440
again

628
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,640
it was sad well

629
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,240
maybe that's all they needed you know

630
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:54,559
maybe that's what they did in

631
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,840
you know dysfunctional family

632
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,840
can roy lent a lot of this stuff and

633
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:01,679
i've seen it a lot of times

634
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:10,710
you know raw emotion is

635
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,559
it's some powerful stuff you know

636
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,039
you know you say raw emotion well look

637
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:18,559
look at all these

638
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,480
uh all these domestic abuse and domestic

639
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,320
things that you know problems happen we

640
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:27,919
just had something in the

641
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,600
paranormal community not long ago and uh

642
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:34,159
where husband and wife died was murder

643
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:35,279
suicide and

644
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:38,720
uh you know that's that raw emotion is

645
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,279
just

646
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:42,400
really palpable and

647
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,480
if there is if there is a

648
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,679
entity you know in the in there

649
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,440
or you know if it's something hanging

650
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,360
around

651
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,159
uh you know they feed off of that and it

652
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,679
just makes things worse and um

653
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,400
and of course you know unless you get

654
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,559
your ducks in a row and

655
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,400
start acting civil a lot of times it

656
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,880
just won't go away

657
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,679
yeah well i think it's time to break

658
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:13,360
yeah let's take a break bring stan on

659
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,480
let's get this

660
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,880
get this [\h__\h] going excellent all right

661
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,919
folks stick around we'll be

662
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,480
and folks welcome back arcane radio

663
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,240
shawn the fork chop forker

664
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,880
lon strickler and our guest tonight stan

665
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,720
gordon stan how you doing thanks for

666
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,159
joining us

667
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,080
uh we're doing great guys good to be on

668
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,080
the program again

669
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,240
our pleasure folks uh if you're not

670
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:38,559
familiar with stan gordon stan gordon

671
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,480
is an author an investigator uh a

672
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,080
long-time investigator stan how long

673
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,760
have you been investigating

674
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,760
uh the unexplained in pennsylvania and

675
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:50,240
just you know pretty much everywhere

676
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:57,110
started back in 1959 when i was 10 years

677
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,840
old

678
00:26:01,110 --> 00:26:00,000
but i actually began doing in the field

679
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,120
investigations

680
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:04,320
uh back in 1965 after the kecksburg

681
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,679
incident and i've been out the field

682
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,600
ever since that time

683
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,080
working on thousands of ufo cases

684
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:12,000
hundreds of cryptid cases and all kind

685
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,520
of other phenomena

686
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,440
and it never ends i mean i get calls in

687
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,640
here almost daily

688
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,240
on current and past reports you know my

689
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,039
hotline has been open since 1969

690
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,760
and uh between the emails i get and the

691
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,960
calls coming in

692
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:26,720
it's just amazing what's going on out

693
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,789
well that's not the truth definitely

694
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,400
there's a lot of stuff rolling around

695
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,559
pennsylvania

696
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,799
uh yeah i mean stan you've been doing

697
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:39,600
this now

698
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,880
over 50 years i knew that um you're

699
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,240
you're kind of the authority on the

700
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,120
anonymous activity in the keystone state

701
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,760
and uh you just put out your third case

702
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:50,799
book

703
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:53,919
uh titled astonishing encounters

704
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:56,960
real real interesting stuff

705
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,520
how's the uh how how the sale is going

706
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,240
um i really don't know i've been i have

707
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,679
heard a lot of reports that they've been

708
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:06,960
out about a month

709
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,679
and uh i've been doing some events and

710
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,799
around here people were

711
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,120
interested in it and uh so it's gonna

712
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,960
take a little time but i think as people

713
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,159
hear about it they'll find there's an

714
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,960
interest in it because it has some very

715
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,440
very strange unusual crypt there's a lot

716
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,559
of stuff in there

717
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,960
are cases that people have never heard

718
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,039
of before are not well known

719
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:30,240
and it's not just your bigfoot and black

720
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,039
panthers

721
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,200
and thunderbird reports which are some

722
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,960
very strange ones in that book

723
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,960
but there's a lot of other really weird

724
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,559
entities and creatures a lot of people

725
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,720
never even heard of before

726
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,559
yeah well let's yeah let's get into one

727
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,640
of those we uh

728
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,559
you had a report you put on your website

729
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,679
today

730
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:50,080
and you directed to me and asked me if i

731
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:50,960
had ever seen

732
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,080
like this and i'd be quite frank i there

733
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,840
was something new to me

734
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,440
so why don't you uh once you tell

735
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,960
everybody what's going on with this

736
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,880
thing on button

737
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,240
right i'll read the report and they can

738
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,080
look at my website as well

739
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,720
but uh this occurred i i talked to the

740
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:08,799
witness did an extensive interview

741
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:11,919
on september 30th and the witness was

742
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,159
very reluctant to really talk about it

743
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,840
was still even though we were discussing

744
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,279
it she was still really afraid

745
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,640
i was gonna i think laugh at her not

746
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:22,159
believe her because she couldn't believe

747
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,360
it herself

748
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:26,080
but uh very credible it's an area where

749
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,760
there's been a lot of history of

750
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,520
other strange phenomena for many many

751
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:31,279
years up in butler county north of

752
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,080
pittsburgh

753
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,240
but it occurred in late august or around

754
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,799
the first week of september of this year

755
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,320
and this is five o'clock in the

756
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,320
afternoon so it's daylight

757
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,159
and she's riding down this rural road in

758
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,799
eastern buffalo county and she's just

759
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,960
leisurely driving through this area and

760
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,559
she's focusing on the road ahead but

761
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:50,159
looking to her right and left looking at

762
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,520
a stream to her right and

763
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,200
there's woods off to the left but

764
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,440
suddenly about 15 to 20 feet away

765
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,360
in front of her and about three quarters

766
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,279
of the way across the road

767
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,120
the witness sees something that was

768
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,799
really hard for her to describe moving

769
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,279
from right to left they had a vehicle

770
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:07,200
and she first thought it was a deer but

771
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,799
then quickly realized it was like

772
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,320
anything that she had ever seen before

773
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,159
ever heard him before

774
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,080
and that was because the first feature

775
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,760
caught the attention with this

776
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,760
looks similar to the head of a deer

777
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,080
however the head was angled straight up

778
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,159
and the head was not real pointy it

779
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,399
narrowed at the top and then rounded off

780
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:27,039
the body was similar in color to a deer

781
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,320
and appeared to be between

782
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,320
four to four and a half feet tall but

783
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,080
the body appeared smooth and did not

784
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,840
have any apparent hair

785
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,760
the being was only observed from the

786
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,480
side and never looked towards the car

787
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,240
no details can be seen on the face

788
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:42,720
because of that the arms look to be very

789
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:43,200
short

790
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,720
and add a portion to the rest of the

791
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:46,720
body the arms were held very close to

792
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,360
the chest

793
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,760
area their hands were very small and

794
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,720
gave the impression

795
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,799
they were either being held together or

796
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,880
possibly holding something

797
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,720
the witness found it hard to describe

798
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:58,080
but there appeared to be something

799
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,960
hanging down

800
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,039
possibly some type of fabric that was

801
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,720
covering around the leg area

802
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,360
and no legs or feet could be observed

803
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,039
but the driver said this being

804
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,840
collided above the roadway and even

805
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,320
stranger was that behind the head

806
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,720
an odd effect was noticed and according

807
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:16,240
to what the witness tried to explain to

808
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:16,880
me she said

809
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,600
it looks sort of like time-lapse picture

810
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:21,440
like in a cartoon when the character's

811
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,000
moving so

812
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,240
fast the body can't keep up with it the

813
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,840
witness commented that it looked like

814
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,880
the head portion

815
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,960
was losing streaks of body matter as it

816
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,720
glided across the road

817
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,960
so within a couple of seconds the car

818
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,039
reached the location on the road

819
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:37,039
where the creature had been gliding the

820
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,559
driver looked all around but the being

821
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:40,240
was nowhere in sight and was not seen

822
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,880
again

823
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,799
the witness was stunned could not

824
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:44,159
understand how this creature could be

825
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,440
gone in seconds

826
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:47,520
the entire observation lasts maybe seven

827
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,559
eight seconds

828
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,000
the witness also mentioned it was

829
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,240
unusual that the creature wasn't seen

830
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,760
as it came from the right side of the

831
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,600
road was only first seen

832
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,120
when it was already gliding about three

833
00:31:02,950 --> 00:30:59,360
quarters away across the red head

834
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:02,960
so it's rather strange but it does have

835
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,360
some similarities of other cases i've

836
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:06,960
looked into and i'm sure you've heard of

837
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,600
these

838
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:09,840
but i haven't and i've mentioned some of

839
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:10,799
my books

840
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:13,760
we have reports of these gliding or

841
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,640
floating beams

842
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,320
some have been reported like one was

843
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,000
reported in fayette county uh

844
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,000
a number of years ago gliding above a

845
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,120
field

846
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:25,120
and uh there have been other reports of

847
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,720
these things sometimes they're kind of

848
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,320
glowing illuminous

849
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,120
uh one case going back to 1972 i

850
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,039
mentioned my cell invasion book

851
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,399
was uh a strange incident in a home

852
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:39,120
where this being was appearing to one

853
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,240
member family

854
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:43,519
and then to another one and uh this

855
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,240
being would

856
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,880
had no legs it would float and move

857
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,399
around in the bedroom and go right

858
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,000
through the wall and disappear

859
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,760
and interestingly it seemed to be

860
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,200
associated with a

861
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,200
very strange bigfoot incident that

862
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,960
happened to a member of the family

863
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,039
it's you know i i've said for years and

864
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:00,880
years long when you begin to study these

865
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,600
cases

866
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,440
and study the people and the backgrounds

867
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:05,440
of the people you find that this

868
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,320
phenomenon

869
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:08,320
it's i said for years it's so strange to

870
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:09,919
protect itself because who's going to

871
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:14,549
um

872
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,159
well you know just like a lot of

873
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,080
these cryptic cases where these things

874
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:21,519
are seen

875
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,320
just for glimpses or whatever and then

876
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,519
they disappear

877
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,360
you know i kind of put them in that

878
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:28,880
multiverse

879
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,240
category you know that

880
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,279
you know maybe there's something that's

881
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,760
showing up in our plane our dimension

882
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,039
and it goes away

883
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,120
you know you know that's the only way i

884
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,640
can explain it

885
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:45,679
are you know even classified because

886
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:46,399
it's

887
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,880
that it was a flesh and blood type of

888
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,640
being and you know we get so many of

889
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:57,200
these things

890
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,519
well you know going back to the 1973

891
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,640
1974

892
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,840
episodes were going on here in

893
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,240
pennsylvania it was this amazing

894
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,080
incredible time period

895
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,880
and you know we had i had my teams back

896
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,480
then and we were expanding

897
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,240
24 hours a day with these cases and a

898
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,519
lot of them were on the scene within

899
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:17,840
minutes of hours after they occurred

900
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,720
and prior to that i had always i had

901
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,559
looked into bigfoot encounters

902
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,760
i had been aware of the history of

903
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,919
bigfoot in pennsylvania going back to

904
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,679
fees going back to native americans and

905
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,760
newspaper accounts in the 1800s talking

906
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:31,360
about incidents in pennsylvania

907
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,880
so things have been going on for a long

908
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,640
time at a keystone state

909
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,279
but i always felt after interviewing

910
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,480
witnesses

911
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,880
that if bigfoot was real and appeared

912
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,399
that there was something out there

913
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,720
that was very likely some type of

914
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,000
unknown primates

915
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,760
and i thought that years and years and i

916
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,440
still keep an open mind all

917
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:51,039
possibilities but

918
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,880
as some of these cases unfolded in 1973

919
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:57,279
i should say 72 but really 73 is when

920
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,480
things really

921
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:01,360
really began to get very very strange

922
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,159
and then there been

923
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,720
a number of incidents ever since then

924
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,480
and i've been in touch with researchers

925
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:07,679
throughout the country and around the

926
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,480
world

927
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:11,200
who have other very similar cases to

928
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,079
what i've looked at

929
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:15,359
here uh you know some of this case in 73

930
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:16,000
i mean we can

931
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,280
we could really get into it if you want

932
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:18,960
to that's up to you so much to talk

933
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,599
about

934
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,919
but you know as these cases are

935
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,440
unfolding you've got to remember back in

936
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,560
those days

937
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,399
there wasn't any internet there wasn't

938
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,000
any cell phones

939
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,800
when people had something unusual happen

940
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:32,079
or they were frightened by something

941
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:34,000
they called the police so a lot of these

942
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,200
calls were coming in this

943
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,960
the police department and these people

944
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:38,480
were very serious

945
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,320
um and we began to see a pattern where

946
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,480
we would have a ufo sighting in one area

947
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,879
and within minutes hours days later we'd

948
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,879
have a bigfoot sighting or vice versa

949
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,040
and then we began to have those cases

950
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:53,280
where we had a ufo and a big machine

951
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,079
together

952
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,399
at the same time in place including a

953
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:57,839
famous incident back in

954
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,359
october 25th in 1973 in fayette county

955
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:02,800
which i'm sure we'll talk about a lot

956
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,359
tonight

957
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:06,000
which is and it was outside of uniontown

958
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,400
and

959
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:08,480
uh that night about 10 30 i got a call

960
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,760
from a state trooper

961
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:11,280
he had just come back from investigating

962
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,480
this multiple witness ufo landing

963
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,240
with two bigfoot type creatures in the

964
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,760
field at the same time

965
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,680
and it was just it's probably one of the

966
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:22,000
strangest most interesting bizarre case

967
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,960
on record which i'm

968
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,640
sure you read about are familiar with

969
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,400
and it's a long story

970
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,560
but anyhow that and then other cases

971
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:30,480
that came to our attention including

972
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,560
that very interesting event february 6

973
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,640
1974 up in the mountains up towards ohio

974
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,800
pile up in fayette county again

975
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,400
where the woman who lived deep in the

976
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:42,320
mountains got a little cabin home

977
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,920
a woman who had lived here all her life

978
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,599
was a very good shot

979
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,599
and i heard a commotion on her little

980
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,040
porch because something was

981
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,960
moving the paw can so some pumpkins on a

982
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,320
little pile out there and

983
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,000
she had been having trouble with a pack

984
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,680
of wild dogs previously and

985
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,760
figured these dogs were back so she

986
00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:59,599
grabbed her shotgun

987
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,320
loaded one round and went over to the

988
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,920
wall switched on the light

989
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,760
opened the front door and stepped out on

990
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:08,320
the porch but instead of any dogs just a

991
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,200
few feet away

992
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,839
with this huge hairy creature with his

993
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,920
arms straight up over his head

994
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,359
and you know it's interesting the many

995
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,880
times i interviewed her she never ever

996
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,160
called it a bigfoot she said

997
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:20,400
it looked like a great big hairy ape and

998
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,440
what did she do

999
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,920
she fired right into that thing and she

1000
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:25,520
said there was this bright flash of

1001
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,240
light

1002
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,000
like a strobe on a camera and it

1003
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,920
disappeared right in front of her

1004
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,839
and then you had her in-laws that lived

1005
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,760
100 feet away and heard the gunshot

1006
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,119
and they called her on the phone said

1007
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,960
what happened she told them and the side

1008
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,599
of the law grabs a pistol

1009
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,119
starts walking up towards her little

1010
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,440
cabin house and he sees some figures

1011
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,960
walking up the dark road

1012
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:46,640
as he gets close he said he's surrounded

1013
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,440
by um i believe was four or five hairy

1014
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,520
people with eyes like coals of fire

1015
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:53,440
and starts shooting at him randomly and

1016
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,800
runs into the house

1017
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,240
at about the same time there's this

1018
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,920
large object it says like a big

1019
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,359
christmas ornament hovering over the

1020
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,359
woods and

1021
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,839
that's when they called the state police

1022
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,560
and

1023
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,960
you know back at that time as you recall

1024
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,000
we had a major

1025
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,240
national trucker strike there was gas

1026
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,079
rationing going on

1027
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:14,240
and uh because of the violence and the

1028
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,599
shootings on the highway

1029
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,200
back then the state police and the

1030
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,680
national guard were patrolling together

1031
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,160
so they both responded to this incident

1032
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,760
and i couldn't get up early the next

1033
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,680
morning because i couldn't get any gas

1034
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:28,160
but you know i talked to the the chief

1035
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,359
investigating officer

1036
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,119
and he said i don't know what was going

1037
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:33,200
up here but something really weird was

1038
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:34,000
occurring

1039
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,359
and he based that on the animal

1040
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:37,040
reactions which you know

1041
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,400
all the years i've been doing this and

1042
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,320
i've mentioned this before i have never

1043
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,640
seen a ufo or bigfoot myself

1044
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,400
i think that may have been a big foot in

1045
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,320
a couple occasions back in those days

1046
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:47,599
but i never saw one

1047
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,960
but i have seen and others of my team

1048
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:51,920
back in those days

1049
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,160
did see the animal reactions you could

1050
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:56,640
fool people you can for the animals

1051
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,240
and very commonly especially with dogs

1052
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:03,359
even the vicious biggest dogs around

1053
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:06,160
when these creatures were close by they

1054
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:06,960
were

1055
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,079
completely changed animals

1056
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,320
they was like paralyzed in fear they

1057
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,520
wouldn't bark they would

1058
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,760
move they would cower they would hide

1059
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,280
wherever they could

1060
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,119
uh they wouldn't sometimes even eat

1061
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,800
properly for two or three days after the

1062
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,240
incident happened

1063
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,119
and that reaction was seen that night by

1064
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:26,800
the police on the scene

1065
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,000
and other animals in the field cats in

1066
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,079
the house even a little baby

1067
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,320
who was extremely the people sat in the

1068
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,599
house that child

1069
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:37,839
just seemed so upset as the navy was

1070
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,800
sensing something

1071
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,480
but it was crying and upset like i've

1072
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,000
never been anyway

1073
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,400
anytime like that prior to it so that's

1074
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,079
something that keeps showing up

1075
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:48,480
quite often even in more recent years

1076
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,760
you keep getting

1077
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,400
animal reaction reports and uh that's

1078
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,720
very interesting

1079
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,000
you know you were talking about we were

1080
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,640
talking about floating entities and

1081
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,320
yeah you do have some lists in the book

1082
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:01,920
but one in particular

1083
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,119
because i saw the i saw the the drawing

1084
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:08,160
and it reminded me so much of the

1085
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,280
flatwoods

1086
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,480
monster incident that salzburg

1087
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:15,839
ufo abduction case do you think there

1088
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:18,400
were any similarities between those two

1089
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,839
those two cases you know what it's um

1090
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,520
it's very interesting but you know what

1091
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,119
also looked a lot like

1092
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,440
was the incident that happened i believe

1093
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:29,200
down at um

1094
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:32,960
uh mississippi uh 1973

1095
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,640
you remember with the two fishermen yeah

1096
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,640
mississippi yeah and they had the

1097
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,000
floating entity with

1098
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,359
i believe the claw-like hands right

1099
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,160
that was interesting and you remember a

1100
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,520
little bit ago we were talking about the

1101
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,079
floating entity in the house

1102
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,119
um that occurred with some with a very

1103
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,040
strange bigfoot case that

1104
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,960
i go into the silent asian book and i

1105
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,640
talk about it i have to go look at the

1106
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,560
details it's been so long ago but as i

1107
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:02,000
recall

1108
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,599
um the one person in the house

1109
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,480
uh had told her husband about seeing

1110
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,000
this creature would have looked like

1111
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,640
and it wasn't long after that that news

1112
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,920
story broke

1113
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,680
about what the creatures the fishermen

1114
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:18,079
saw and it was they were very similar

1115
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,560
what she described to her husband

1116
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,599
yeah because i you know i i i had never

1117
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,520
seen that drawing before

1118
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,839
and when i was reading about i'm

1119
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,599
thinking my god that thing looks

1120
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:36,079
familiar yeah you know you're right but

1121
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,920
that mississippi case i guess you could

1122
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:40,000
kind of put that in there as well

1123
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,990
a lot of it was in the book i've never

1124
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:49,280
published before and that's the first

1125
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,000
time

1126
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:52,000
that i can recall ever publishing that

1127
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,040
scam yeah

1128
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:55,359
yeah i had never seen that that was

1129
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,240
interesting

1130
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,680
um yeah now of course you know

1131
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,440
and everybody else knows that have been

1132
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:04,640
reading fans and monsters about these uh

1133
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,480
these dog men are upright candid

1134
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,640
bipedal candid signings that we've been

1135
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:12,800
getting recently

1136
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:16,400
and uh you had uh you've had several of

1137
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,280
these

1138
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,599
tainted sightings but you know the one

1139
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,680
that the one that interested me the most

1140
00:41:25,390 --> 00:41:23,520
was the one in bradford county that

1141
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:25,400
werewolf studying at back in

1142
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,880
2012 can you kind of can you kind of go

1143
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:30,880
over that with us

1144
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,760
you know that's um that case was one of

1145
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:35,359
the case when i interviewed those people

1146
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,319
this was a

1147
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,400
a couple and they had broken up in the

1148
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,920
meantime uh

1149
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,680
since the event happened and it took me

1150
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,520
a while to get a hold of the girlfriend

1151
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:45,040
and i finally did i got a chance to

1152
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:46,720
interview them both in detail

1153
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,599
they were both so shook up and upset

1154
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,440
over this thing i mean the man was

1155
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,640
very very emotional over it and uh

1156
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:57,119
but their stories were so identical what

1157
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:58,319
happened that night

1158
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,760
and uh you know if if i have rarely ever

1159
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:03,839
come across any what i would really call

1160
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,440
werewolf reports but i'm not sure what

1161
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,040
this thing was that they thought

1162
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,880
but you know i'll be glad to go over

1163
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,240
some of that account that happened

1164
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:13,520
actually

1165
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:16,880
uh november of 2011 outside of troy

1166
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,240
pennsylvania bradford county right and

1167
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:22,160
and anyhow i was about 11 o'clock that

1168
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,440
night when they were driving down what

1169
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,680
they called mud creek road

1170
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:28,160
and that was a very dark narrow road as

1171
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,040
i understand

1172
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,680
and they're coming down the road and all

1173
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,720
of a sudden

1174
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,800
they see to the left side of the road

1175
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,000
what looks appeared

1176
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,400
what appears to be a naked man crawling

1177
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,000
on the side of the road

1178
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,480
so the guy decreases his feet and

1179
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,079
swerves his truck around in the middle

1180
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,160
of the road and directs his high beams

1181
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,480
of his headlights towards the subject

1182
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:50,720
and a driver stops about 30 feet to 40

1183
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,599
feet away

1184
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,280
and they soon realize this was not a

1185
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,119
person but an aesthetic creature

1186
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,680
that was crawling very low to the ground

1187
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:59,200
as they watched the creature moved into

1188
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,480
a squatting position

1189
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,240
with his back completely straight

1190
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,720
somewhat like a stance of kangaroo

1191
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,079
the arms of the creature were held

1192
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,240
tightly to his body what looked like

1193
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,560
long claws resembled talons of an eagle

1194
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:12,079
were easily visible

1195
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,599
the claws were estimated to be about

1196
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,200
eight to ten inches in length

1197
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,720
one club was shorter than the other

1198
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,440
three the creature had a muscular body

1199
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,960
the head of the beast appeared to be

1200
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,680
oversized and shaped like that of a wolf

1201
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,520
at the top of the head there were two

1202
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,960
pointed bat-like ears

1203
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,720
that looked about four to six inches

1204
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,440
long the entire creature

1205
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:34,160
was covered with dull wrinkly dark black

1206
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,200
skin

1207
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,960
and the man described seeing large

1208
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,200
canine-like teeth in its mouth

1209
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,720
the eyes of the creature about the size

1210
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,359
of a silver golem with shiny black

1211
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,119
the man stated even though he had his

1212
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,960
high beams directed at the creature

1213
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,760
the eyes did not reflect at all the man

1214
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,280
said he looked over the body during the

1215
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:52,720
12-second encounter

1216
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,839
and for some reason though the creature

1217
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:58,240
[\h__\h] i should say when he watches thing

1218
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,119
he thought

1219
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,880
that what do you think should have had

1220
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,560
wings for some reason

1221
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,800
but none were apparent in the squatting

1222
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:06,560
position the creature seemed about five

1223
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,359
feet tall

1224
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,000
but at this point the creature walked in

1225
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,520
the left lane of the road

1226
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,079
and about one to two onto the pavement

1227
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:15,920
as the couple watched in amazement

1228
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,319
the creature began to stretch his body

1229
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:20,079
the man said at that point the animal

1230
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,800
started

1231
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,200
to stand up on his black back legs while

1232
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,040
also falling over on his front

1233
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,280
feet the driver said in that position

1234
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,480
the creature seemed to be

1235
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,040
six to seven feet tall the animal then

1236
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,119
fell over on all fours

1237
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,880
the witness observed that the front

1238
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,319
claws at a creature were now

1239
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,079
two feet across the center line of the

1240
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,480
highway while the back feet remain

1241
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,839
one to two feet from the edge of the

1242
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:44,000
road the creature then turns his head to

1243
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,560
the right

1244
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,119
and look towards the vehicle now this is

1245
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:48,640
interesting and we've talked about this

1246
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,359
again

1247
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:51,839
what this what's common is the driver

1248
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,400
told me

1249
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,480
that it looked directly at them with a

1250
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:55,839
horrific expression

1251
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,640
like it was panicked the fellow saw take

1252
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,599
a deep breath

1253
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,880
he had this feeling that the creature

1254
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:02,160
didn't realize that it was being

1255
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,800
observed

1256
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,200
and when it realized it was it was like

1257
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,359
it was caught doing something

1258
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:09,200
once it realized it was being observed

1259
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,640
it leaned back slightly

1260
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,960
then reached forward with its claws the

1261
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,200
creature then took one tremendous leap

1262
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,200
clearing a seven foot embankment and

1263
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,280
moved out of sight into the woods

1264
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,560
the benefit was about 40 feet long as it

1265
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,079
was in the process of leaping

1266
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,319
it was perfectly straight and held its

1267
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:27,839
front claws forward

1268
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:30,560
the legs as it was leaping were only

1269
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,520
slightly

1270
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:33,839
uh larger than broomsticks or about the

1271
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,960
size of a walking crane were very long

1272
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,560
then just a second after the creature

1273
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:40,319
was glenn from sight something else

1274
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:41,520
really hard happened

1275
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,240
a large bird possibly an owl suddenly

1276
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,079
rushed the passenger side window

1277
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:48,240
almost hitting the glass that took off

1278
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,520
and did not return

1279
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,119
it happened so fast they aren't sure if

1280
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,200
it was an owl or not the witnesses

1281
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:54,720
indicated this creature appeared to be

1282
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,280
changing

1283
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,240
form the driver said its shape was

1284
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,079
nothing like when it was squatted

1285
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,319
the woman stated to me that it shaped

1286
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:03,839
into another form

1287
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,160
she thought it was a little dark brown

1288
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,240
color and looked like a werewolf with a

1289
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,680
little back hair

1290
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,520
she estimated that when it was leaping

1291
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:13,119
into the woods she thought it stood

1292
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,480
about nine feet tall

1293
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,480
the woman while reluctant to say it said

1294
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,760
i think it was a man

1295
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,160
chased into a werewolf it was just a

1296
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,760
really interesting case and

1297
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,680
when you talk when you heard the

1298
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:26,240
emotions and described as a detail it

1299
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:26,720
was

1300
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,870
well you know you know what fascinates

1301
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,359
me with this one in particular but

1302
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,119
you know you and i talked about this the

1303
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:38,960
last time you were on

1304
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,880
is how some of these cryptids and

1305
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,240
i think most of we're talking about

1306
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,079
bigfoot show a lot of

1307
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,200
human reaction to certain things like

1308
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:50,960
you know we were talking about when

1309
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,480
people you know when the people

1310
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,839
are noticed noticing it when they look

1311
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:58,640
at it and they

1312
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:01,839
they can tell that the the person

1313
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,640
sees it it kind of reacts like like it's

1314
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:05,920
surprised

1315
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,079
uh yeah yeah and now and now this this

1316
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:12,640
werewolf aware was had like a human

1317
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,440
reaction

1318
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,000
as well and you know if it was a shape

1319
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,079
shifter well then so be it but

1320
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,480
you know some of these some of these

1321
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,839
cryptids

1322
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,680
are so interesting that they do show

1323
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:26,480
like a human reaction to things

1324
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,000
oh yeah and um you know

1325
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,800
the one case other than a bigfoot was an

1326
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,520
incident

1327
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,280
that looked into it happened in the fall

1328
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,200
of 2007

1329
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,040
down in west virginia down near

1330
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,800
clendenin

1331
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,599
and uh this was a very interesting

1332
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:44,880
thunderbird sighting

1333
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,079
or a giant wing crypted and this

1334
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:49,440
happened by eight o'clock in the morning

1335
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,160
it was a

1336
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,640
two-lane rural road outside of clem down

1337
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,079
in west virginia

1338
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,480
and the man was riding down the road

1339
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,480
when he suddenly had to hit the brakes

1340
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,880
because there's this huge bird only a

1341
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,720
few yards ahead on the road

1342
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,400
eating roadkill there you go again with

1343
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,240
your roadkill

1344
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,160
the man was strung by the size of the

1345
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:10,240
creature and it stood at least four feet

1346
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,880
tall

1347
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,319
and his head extended above the roof

1348
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:14,319
line of the vehicle the head was

1349
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,040
dominant

1350
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,880
was not overly proportioned to the body

1351
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,319
the head was featherless

1352
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,000
separated from the rest of the body by a

1353
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,000
prominent yellowish orange color

1354
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,240
of plumage the body was covered with

1355
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,920
dark brown or black feathers which by

1356
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,640
the way

1357
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,720
is very common with a lot of the giant

1358
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,079
bird reports

1359
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,160
uh the beak appeared dark was quite

1360
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,520
large and long

1361
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,760
the eyes were dark in color the witness

1362
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:37,280
did not recall much detail about the

1363
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:38,720
feet however the legs were covered in

1364
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,520
feathers

1365
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,839
but the feet were bare the chest of the

1366
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:43,680
giant fowl was distinct and that was

1367
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,720
well formed

1368
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,559
the witness point out the most striking

1369
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,960
feature was a massive wingspan

1370
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,960
which is easily as wide as a two-lane

1371
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:53,119
road the man actually went back to the

1372
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:54,400
site and measured the distance of the

1373
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:55,200
roadway

1374
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,040
from edge to edge it was 21 feet across

1375
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,280
the width the wings were as i can

1376
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:03,280
remember as arms of human are attached

1377
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:03,760
it had

1378
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,839
torso and the wings were as if they were

1379
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:08,800
his arms

1380
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:12,400
but the driver said we both start each

1381
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,359
other it seems

1382
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,760
for it looked as shocked as i was when

1383
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,000
the bird became startled and pulled his

1384
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,000
head back to stare at the driver

1385
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,760
the bird then ran from the car as if it

1386
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,680
was going to fly in an awkward manner

1387
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,520
it ran jumping from one foot to the

1388
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,119
other in a hopping manner

1389
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,800
while flapping his wings to gain speed

1390
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,559
for takeoff the witness said it was

1391
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,400
similar to a jumping hopping run

1392
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,319
and it moved about five yards then with

1393
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,160
his huge wings i think finally lifted

1394
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,760
off the road and went up

1395
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,359
over the hill but the man said the

1396
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,599
wingtips were stirring up the dust and

1397
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:43,359
gravel on both sides of the road as it

1398
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,760
ran

1399
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,920
became airborne so that's where he could

1400
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:47,119
measure it because you could see the

1401
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:47,839
wingtips

1402
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,839
right touching the edge of the rope and

1403
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,599
it was 21 feet across

1404
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,920
and when he did some research he went to

1405
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,599
the library and he said the closest

1406
00:50:00,140 --> 00:49:56,800
thing he could find

1407
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,150
was a picture of an extinct territory

1408
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[Music]

1409
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,240
there you go you know the whole thing

1410
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,720
is as you said and i've said where these

1411
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,520
things come from

1412
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,760
where do they go it seems as though in

1413
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,280
some of these events

1414
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:15,520
these things seem to have the ability

1415
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,559
that they come into our physical reality

1416
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,880
they look physically solid they can at

1417
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,480
times leave physical evidence and then

1418
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:24,880
they're gone

1419
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,319
yeah yeah i am you know i kind of had to

1420
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:30,800
subscribe to that multiverse

1421
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,680
explanation you know i can't be specific

1422
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:35,200
because you know i have no idea where

1423
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,400
they're coming from

1424
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:39,119
but you know you know is there a

1425
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:40,559
possibility that they're coming from

1426
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,760
another

1427
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:44,160
you know dimension yeah you know it may

1428
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:44,800
be or

1429
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,760
another alternative uh alternate

1430
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:48,880
universe

1431
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,240
it's very possible yeah and you know

1432
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,800
just like um as that woman was

1433
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,079
describing with that

1434
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,800
skinny floating entity in bumper county

1435
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,800
it was hard for her to try to even

1436
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,559
explain what she saw

1437
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:05,359
but you know as i mentioned uh in other

1438
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,000
cases

1439
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:08,640
and uh and we've discussed some other

1440
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:09,440
cases over here

1441
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,640
some of these things even with some of

1442
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:13,200
those bigfoot cases there are instances

1443
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:14,079
where these things

1444
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,400
are not completely physically solid um

1445
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,400
there have been cases where you people

1446
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,000
only saw parts of the

1447
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,839
of the torso of the body that was not a

1448
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:26,160
complete creature as weird as it sounds

1449
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:29,359
they're very far few between um

1450
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,359
some of these things you know again they

1451
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,599
suddenly appear and disappear

1452
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,839
there's odd cases going back years and

1453
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,760
years not in pennsylvania but i knew

1454
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:39,040
other researchers have looked at some of

1455
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,480
these cases where

1456
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,800
these things uh was physically changed

1457
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:45,760
allegedly into another form

1458
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:49,599
and uh it's so strange and unusual

1459
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,720
and the one case i mentioned in my my

1460
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,480
new book the astonishing encounters is a

1461
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,680
case uh

1462
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,760
i got to know the witness very well is a

1463
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:59,200
great guy who passed away a number of

1464
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,400
years ago this was on

1465
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,119
cambria county outside of johnstown and

1466
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,280
it was a really detailed

1467
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:07,599
to witness a bigfoot encounter back in

1468
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:11,359
1995 around 422 outside of revlock

1469
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,800
and uh very detailed description of this

1470
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:15,920
bigfoot walking

1471
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:19,119
but interestingly as the wizard is

1472
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,559
describing he's talking about

1473
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,720
it's um you know the the size of this

1474
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,400
thing and how it's moving with his long

1475
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,160
arms going up the hill

1476
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,839
and then he states that the chest area

1477
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,520
of the animal is wide and deep

1478
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,119
but the lower half of the body appear to

1479
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,280
be slightly out of focus

1480
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,960
that out of phase appearance followed

1481
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,400
the creature as it walked

1482
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,640
to witness stress that was not flogged

1483
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,240
and that was a clear night at the time

1484
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,839
of the observation

1485
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,160
so here you go again it seems as though

1486
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:45,760
maybe it was a process of

1487
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,079
materializing and dematerializing who

1488
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,589
oh by the way i want i i don't know if

1489
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:54,720
you realize this and

1490
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:57,920
now you mentioned cambria county now

1491
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:02,000
we've had three dog man reports

1492
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:05,920
come out of portage portis pennsylvania

1493
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:08,960
yeah and all three of them were in that

1494
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,160
town park and i think well now

1495
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:14,800
the one was a case that somebody else

1496
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,280
had

1497
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:17,760
mentioned but the two two other ones

1498
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,319
were

1499
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:20,559
witnesses that our investigators talked

1500
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:21,599
to

1501
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:24,400
and they've all been going on now just

1502
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:25,680
within the last

1503
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,800
maybe two three years yep so that's

1504
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:31,520
also the same general area where there's

1505
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:31,839
been

1506
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:34,240
a lot of historical bigfoot activity

1507
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:34,880
going on

1508
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,160
going back to least 70s and in the last

1509
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:40,319
few years as well so i'm hearing that

1510
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,760
i've talked a lot of witnesses

1511
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,599
over the last several years who have had

1512
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:45,359
bigfoot encounters up there so once

1513
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,079
again

1514
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:48,640
you know it has a lot to do with how far

1515
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,040
you were from the creature the lighting

1516
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,280
in a lot of different not everybody may

1517
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:55,040
have seen some of the details that other

1518
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,319
people did

1519
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,760
yeah yeah wow so we were we were talking

1520
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,200
about that earlier

1521
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:03,839
how many of these bigfoot sightings

1522
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:05,640
could actually be

1523
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,119
misinterpreted uh quote-unquote dogman

1524
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:11,520
sightings william vice versa i mean yeah

1525
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:12,480
i mean

1526
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,630
yeah that you know you're right that

1527
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:20,319
might be

1528
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,640
in imported

1529
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,359
uh from what i understand i i i don't

1530
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,880
know if you've been in the area before

1531
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,480
stan but

1532
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:34,079
i was told that behind that park there's

1533
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:35,599
a lot of um

1534
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,910
let me go in i was just gonna say

1535
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,920
there's there's a lot of caves

1536
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,760
all throughout that area and throughout

1537
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:49,760
that part of pennsylvania southwest pa

1538
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,240
it's

1539
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:53,119
covered with case i can tell you this

1540
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,000
back again

1541
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,839
during the 70s when all this activity

1542
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,599
was going on and we have reports of

1543
00:55:02,710 --> 00:54:59,839
these things on occasion

1544
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,720
going near caves or mines and we

1545
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,720
searched many of those caves in mind at

1546
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,760
the time

1547
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,440
but never found any evidence that these

1548
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,799
creatures were staying inside of there

1549
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:10,400
they may have gotten them temporarily

1550
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,520
but they weren't staying in there

1551
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,789
okay well i yeah i want to ask you

1552
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,000
because i didn't know

1553
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:20,480
you know i didn't know if you had known

1554
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,440
about that but

1555
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,599
apparently you all had checked that out

1556
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,520
uh yeah there's a lot a lot of caves a

1557
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:27,119
lot of mining in there and all

1558
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,640
and um you know i i thought well maybe

1559
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,920
there's a possibility that

1560
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:34,160
these things are staying in it maybe it

1561
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,680
may still be yet

1562
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,839
but uh that's interesting that's

1563
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,920
interesting that these

1564
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,839
these cryptic cases are showing up in

1565
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:43,839
the same areas like that

1566
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:47,520
um now you uh

1567
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:50,640
you had directed me to a

1568
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,160
report that was sent to you out of uh

1569
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,480
out of denver colorado well it was uh

1570
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,920
lakewood colorado

1571
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,680
and then you forwarded to me then those

1572
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:00,960
guys looked and then

1573
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,240
jc and jack kerry looked into this

1574
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:06,960
i and i tell you now i know you talked

1575
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:07,839
to the witness

1576
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,119
course

1577
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:13,440
jack and jc talked to one of the best

1578
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:17,040
witnesses we ever had i'm incredible

1579
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,720
very credible and uh this guy was

1580
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,280
you know a professional guy he didn't

1581
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,799
want his name and stuff going out there

1582
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:25,839
but i tell you

1583
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:29,440
the way he described things uh the way

1584
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,079
he described

1585
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:32,319
the incident the actual description of

1586
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,599
this thing

1587
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:36,240
uh boy you just wish you could get more

1588
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,359
of those like that

1589
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,240
and uh they're still checking out there

1590
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,839
there's definitely something going on

1591
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,119
out there

1592
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,359
oh yeah it's and that you know i deal

1593
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:46,960
with this all the time

1594
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,839
you know people who are so reluctant to

1595
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,520
even today people so reluctant

1596
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,680
to want to use their name some of them

1597
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,040
don't want me to give out the exact

1598
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,640
location where these things took place

1599
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:58,319
for various reasons

1600
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,839
um they're just it's something i felt

1601
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,440
like long ago and i'm sure you have too

1602
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:05,359
that some of the best witnesses are

1603
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,920
people

1604
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,359
who never would believe these things

1605
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,720
exist so they had their own personal

1606
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,119
experience

1607
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,599
it's a life-changing event i mean some

1608
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,599
witnesses i'm still in touch with from

1609
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,760
probably 20 30 years ago and some of

1610
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,200
these people today

1611
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,200
they still can't deal with what they

1612
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,079
encountered so many years ago

1613
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,880
well i just look at myself you know what

1614
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,960
i saw i didn't believe what it was

1615
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,880
and i really didn't know i really still

1616
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:32,160
don't know what it was but

1617
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,799
you know it got the ball wrong with me

1618
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,559
you know i had to keep i had to keep

1619
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,160
digging and trying to find out what it

1620
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,000
was i actually saw

1621
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:44,799
but uh you know there was a there was a

1622
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:45,359
case

1623
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,440
uh a sighting that i had reported on

1624
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,000
that you went into detail in the book

1625
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,240
and i'd like for you to talk about it

1626
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,640
it was uh it was john john fennell

1627
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:57,920
jonathan fennell

1628
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,319
out in butler county and this is that

1629
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,319
butler county ferry

1630
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:05,040
yeah that was a great story oh man you

1631
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,680
know

1632
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:07,200
and the way he described it and

1633
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:08,720
everything because he you know he did

1634
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,760
do the sketch but it was

1635
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,920
it was really i i thought it was i

1636
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,079
thought it was a fantastic description

1637
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,680
and the way he went back because it was

1638
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,680
multiple witnesses and such

1639
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,880
uh talk to it about about that uh

1640
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:25,040
and i want to i'd like to get your take

1641
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,160
on that that's

1642
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,240
the truth you know i got the story as i

1643
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,480
mentioned t i i first heard of it three

1644
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,359
through your uh website for your blog

1645
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,119
then i was able to contact jonathan

1646
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,359
we uh communicated about it and he gave

1647
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:39,680
me permission to reuse it in the book

1648
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:44,000
and you know i i've heard stories of

1649
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:47,359
these small little meat entities

1650
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,599
fairy reports and i was really kind of

1651
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,200
not really accepting these type of

1652
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,799
things it was really hard but you know

1653
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:56,079
what

1654
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,440
maybe we're dealing with something to

1655
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:59,280
take on any form it wants to then we're

1656
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:00,319
dealing with some yet

1657
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:02,000
you know seven eight foot tall and hairy

1658
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:03,599
and we're dealing with giant flying

1659
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:04,079
things

1660
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:05,520
why couldn't you have something like

1661
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,480
this but in the last few years

1662
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,480
i've had a number of other people

1663
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,119
approach me and tell me stories of very

1664
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:14,640
similar encounters with these

1665
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,680
fairy-like creatures and what

1666
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:20,160
his encounter and his detailed

1667
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,440
description

1668
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:24,000
in in the account that he wrote it was

1669
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,359
so amazing

1670
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,960
that uh that's why i was interested in

1671
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,240
putting in the book because it was so

1672
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:30,480
different

1673
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:33,280
yeah you know when he first told me

1674
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,079
about it

1675
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,760
he was kind of reluctant about me

1676
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:37,200
putting it out there

1677
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:39,520
and uh then he started sending the

1678
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:40,559
sketches

1679
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,880
and i i i begged him i said look man

1680
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,640
this has got to get out i said you're in

1681
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,480
an area anyway that's

1682
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,319
it's a hot area i mean there's a lot of

1683
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,920
stuff being seen out there

1684
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,720
and in fact you know it wasn't too long

1685
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:54,079
ago that somebody

1686
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:57,040
said that they had a uh i had a gnome

1687
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,720
sighting out in butler county i think

1688
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:00,880
that was i think uh

1689
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,160
um oh god i'm trying to remember who the

1690
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:06,000
investigator was

1691
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,240
it was linda howe and uh you know

1692
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,839
you know that that's something else of

1693
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,599
people but you're right these little

1694
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:14,799
people

1695
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:17,920
sightings are um do pop

1696
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:20,000
up once well and of course i'm i'm like

1697
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:21,599
you at first i

1698
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:25,119
i really gotta question them and uh

1699
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:28,720
but you know his description was so

1700
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,079
so amazing and uh they basically were

1701
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,280
they were on on the deck of the house

1702
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,839
and some one evening and this thing kind

1703
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,160
of popped up out of a

1704
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:42,480
uh planner or something on the uh on the

1705
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,599
forge

1706
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,440
and they all got a good look at this

1707
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,520
thing

1708
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,200
right there watering the right in front

1709
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,280
of them and they had a great detail look

1710
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:53,440
at this thing and it was very intriguing

1711
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:56,880
yeah yeah wow

1712
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,319
and you know the other thing that's very

1713
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,720
curious is that that wing humanoid case

1714
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,640
we had up in buffalo county

1715
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:05,040
back in uh march of 2011. yeah the

1716
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:06,160
gargoyle

1717
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,760
wrestling case yeah if you remember that

1718
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:11,440
or not with the the leathery creature

1719
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:12,799
with the wings tucked into the side

1720
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:15,440
walked out in front of the car

1721
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,750
well you know that you know

1722
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,680
there's in fact that thing's been was

1723
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,079
seen twice wasn't it

1724
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:30,160
well it was seen apparently you know

1725
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:31,280
this guy reported

1726
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:35,200
but um deanne hackman has that had that

1727
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,520
boru the uh research group there butler

1728
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,599
and he received several reports

1729
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,200
from different people within the same

1730
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:43,440
time period in the same area who saw it

1731
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:46,160
and that was very interesting i i've

1732
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,799
been

1733
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,359
with that witness ever since it happened

1734
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:51,119
and got to know him pretty well

1735
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,240
and i mean he's a very credible person

1736
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:57,119
and there's just a lot of weird stuff

1737
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,839
going on

1738
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,280
i've been hearing reports of the last

1739
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:01,440
year of you know bigfoot activity up in

1740
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:02,720
that general area and

1741
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:05,440
a lot of ufo activity and just weird

1742
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:06,079
weird stuff

1743
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:09,760
going on well we had a dog man up there

1744
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:12,799
um uh

1745
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:16,400
your graveyard up there in oh god it was

1746
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:20,640
amy shawn

1747
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:23,760
and amy had this dog man up there in the

1748
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:24,160
in this

1749
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:27,200
the cemetery where her daughter had seen

1750
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,319
it and such and she

1751
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,640
told me about it now i did there was a

1752
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:32,319
just quick glimpse of it

1753
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:34,000
but i know it freaked her daughter out

1754
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,440
and the dog in the car

1755
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:38,000
freaked out as well so it was something

1756
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:38,960
they saw

1757
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,960
or something showed up and uh

1758
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,359
bacchus that was butler county as well

1759
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:47,520
so yeah with butler county you know it's

1760
01:02:51,789 --> 01:02:49,599
just

1761
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:51,799
i've been up in that area since the late

1762
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,480
1960s investigating incidents

1763
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,559
yeah it was an area where there was a

1764
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:58,480
lot of ufo activities there was reports

1765
01:03:02,069 --> 01:02:59,039
of

1766
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:02,079
ufo landings and humanoid entities seen

1767
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:03,440
back in those days

1768
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,880
yeah um here's an interesting

1769
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:08,160
story you've probably never heard of

1770
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,200
before i was aware of it with a group i

1771
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:13,359
was working with back in those days

1772
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,480
and one this is a lot

1773
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,039
going back many years with memory but

1774
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:21,359
they were getting calls

1775
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:24,480
in the outside of rural area above

1776
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:28,079
reports of these big radio communication

1777
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:28,880
towers

1778
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,160
at night that would rise up

1779
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:34,240
and they would have these discs come

1780
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:35,839
down and hover around the

1781
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:38,160
radio towers at night but they were not

1782
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,440
there in the daytime

1783
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:41,119
and there were i mean some of the guys

1784
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:42,720
involved these guys were engineers or

1785
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,440
whatever

1786
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:46,000
and they're checking the navigational

1787
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,000
and all the aeronautical maps

1788
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:50,319
and interviewing people and you couldn't

1789
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,520
see them in the daytime and they tried

1790
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:53,440
to triangulate it at night

1791
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,880
and you could see them but they could

1792
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:56,640
never get to them and i saw

1793
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,200
pictures of some of the uh radio towers

1794
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:01,039
that they had taken but they were never

1795
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,880
could be located where they were

1796
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,160
originating from

1797
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:05,920
and there were a lot of ufo sightings

1798
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:08,079
going on for apparently months up there

1799
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:10,640
around these towers that didn't exist

1800
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,990
well you know and you know we were

1801
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:17,599
talking about you were talking about

1802
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,559
flying humanoids as well and you know

1803
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:22,559
pennsylvania has had its share of

1804
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:26,160
mothman type sightings as well uh i

1805
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:27,039
guess maybe

1806
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:30,720
the most intriguing one

1807
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:33,839
was the one in 66 up near pittsburgh

1808
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:41,589
good yeah

1809
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,270
i believe this is the first time anybody

1810
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:45,359
ever published a story about it

1811
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:48,480
and that was in november 66

1812
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:51,200
during the same time that the mothman

1813
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:52,079
creature was

1814
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:53,760
terrifying residents down around point

1815
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:55,599
pleasant west virginia and making the

1816
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,000
news

1817
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,640
around the country and i had heard

1818
01:05:01,270 --> 01:05:00,640
rumors circulating around the pittsburgh

1819
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,280
area

1820
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:03,599
that something strange some kind of

1821
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,079
strange creature had been seen

1822
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:09,359
and all kind of rumors going around

1823
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:11,599
you know something was you know had harm

1824
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:12,720
somebody

1825
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,680
but you could never track it down and

1826
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,520
then years later i

1827
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,280
was able to find a person who was

1828
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:21,440
directly involved in the incident

1829
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,720
and uh so it's a very very fascinating

1830
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:25,920
story of this

1831
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:27,680
thing it was seen in this large wooded

1832
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,359
area and apparently

1833
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,280
it was a big hush actually in the area

1834
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:32,799
the police and everybody

1835
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:36,079
uh kept it very very quiet

1836
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,599
allegedly after i guess several weeks of

1837
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:41,520
this thing being seen and scaring a lot

1838
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:42,480
of people

1839
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:45,520
people claim to have seen

1840
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,799
air force mark blockades

1841
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,720
on the roads around some of those uh

1842
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:52,400
rural roads going into that wooded area

1843
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:53,599
for a period of time

1844
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,280
can't confirm that that's what i was

1845
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:57,200
told and um

1846
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,400
this this huge hairy feathery thing

1847
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:02,559
was apparently scaring a lot of people

1848
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:04,079
around that part of the allegheny

1849
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:11,349
well you know i mean it's nothing new to

1850
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:11,680
me

1851
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:15,839
had this encounter with an 88

1852
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,240
up there in outside new oxford

1853
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:20,799
pennsylvania which is in adams county

1854
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:23,839
and they've seen it as as

1855
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,200
the conewago creek as it empties into uh

1856
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,680
goes east into the susquehanna river so

1857
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:31,200
that goes into york county

1858
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:33,200
but then a couple weeks ago we had

1859
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:34,480
another sighting of

1860
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:37,599
something in adams county in littlestown

1861
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:39,680
near littlestown near the pennsylvania

1862
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:40,480
line

1863
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:44,400
can't

1864
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:47,760
i just don't know what it was uh

1865
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:49,920
yeah i don't know i mean in the way it

1866
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:52,000
was described i was courses described

1867
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,200
like this

1868
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:56,400
no feathers and kind of the uh

1869
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:59,119
the membrane type wings like a bat would

1870
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,000
have but they were

1871
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:02,240
huge and they kind of said it looked

1872
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:03,039
like

1873
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:06,720
a butterfly even though one of the girls

1874
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:07,760
there was three witnesses

1875
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,200
one the girl said that kind of looked

1876
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,039
like an angel's wing without

1877
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:14,480
feathers but they didn't have a head on

1878
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:15,200
it

1879
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:19,119
shoulders

1880
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:21,280
and it was kind of lightish color or

1881
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:22,400
light each pinky

1882
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:26,079
white hue whatever it was so i have no

1883
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:27,359
idea what they saw

1884
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:30,880
now uh now i haven't been up there

1885
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:32,960
and i haven't talked again to the

1886
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,359
witnesses but i haven't heard anything

1887
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,680
uh but i think the thing was moving down

1888
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:39,200
toward maryland

1889
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:42,079
just you know it was so near the line

1890
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,119
you know what i'm saying

1891
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:44,880
and there's not really a whole lot of

1892
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,960
woods in there

1893
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:48,720
if it was hiding somewhere they didn't

1894
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:50,079
have a lot didn't have a lot of places

1895
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,960
to hide

1896
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,640
so but there again you know maybe this

1897
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:54,400
is something that just popped in and

1898
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:56,079
popped out

1899
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:59,119
but yeah pennsylvania has its share of

1900
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:00,400
flying humanoids there's

1901
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,829
you know but i i think there's a lot

1902
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:09,359
more out there for people

1903
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,240
that people are seeing and it's just not

1904
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:14,240
getting reported

1905
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,719
well you know people want they're very

1906
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:18,239
reluctant to report it

1907
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,839
i mean sometimes i'll get reports in

1908
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:21,679
from 20 30 30 years ago and i'm sure you

1909
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:22,480
do as well

1910
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:25,040
oh yeah or they don't know where to

1911
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:26,080
report to

1912
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,279
you know there's a lot of place you can

1913
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,759
report ufo sightings but a lot of people

1914
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:31,440
wonder where they can report seeing some

1915
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:33,120
of these cryptid reports

1916
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:36,560
and i find today that people are more

1917
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:37,600
willing to

1918
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:40,400
report ufos but they're still extremely

1919
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,359
hesitant

1920
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:43,040
to report having encounters with these

1921
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:51,110
yeah well there's another report in here

1922
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:52,080
that i thought was

1923
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:55,440
interesting with the uh the the giant

1924
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,319
insects in

1925
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:58,560
mount pleasant township oh not the

1926
01:09:02,390 --> 01:08:59,679
insects

1927
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,400
oh yeah here we go ins insectoids again

1928
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:07,349
what do you make of that one stan do you

1929
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:07,839
was this

1930
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,679
this insectoid thing like the the mantis

1931
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:14,080
uh was it described like that or what do

1932
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,000
you think

1933
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,799
i i think the one you're referring to

1934
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,560
that was um

1935
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,319
actually what they were saying was some

1936
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,239
kind of looked like oversized

1937
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:25,759
caterpillars is that the one yeah

1938
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:27,440
oversized caterpillars yeah i just

1939
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,870
and again that's an area where there's a

1940
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:36,480
lot of history a lot of weird things

1941
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,440
going on

1942
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,920
and um these people were driving down

1943
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,040
this road in mount

1944
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,120
pleasant township and they saw something

1945
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:44,799
strange crawling across the road ahead

1946
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,679
of them

1947
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,679
and they said it was like a giant

1948
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:48,799
caterpillar

1949
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,480
the oversized hits that crawl from right

1950
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,239
to left across the road

1951
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,920
described as about seven inches of

1952
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:55,440
length from tip to tip appear to be

1953
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:56,480
segmented movement

1954
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:59,360
gruff but it was primarily an iridescent

1955
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,320
white collar

1956
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,800
with a bluish tint but witnesses

1957
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,800
emphasize that it was not glowing

1958
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:06,960
the the creature showed no signs of legs

1959
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,280
or feet had no apparent head or tail

1960
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:11,040
the body was skinnier at the ends of

1961
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,560
saturn the center of the body

1962
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:14,400
and as they continued driving just

1963
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,000
seconds later a second

1964
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:18,080
similar looking creature was observed as

1965
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,520
a move from right to left

1966
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:21,840
then reverse direction on the road and

1967
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,800
the car of

1968
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,880
people who were startled they said when

1969
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,640
a very short distance observed a total

1970
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:27,920
of six or seven

1971
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,159
similar creatures some on the road while

1972
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,920
others along the side of the road

1973
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,679
one of the last ones they saw was in the

1974
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:35,280
middle of the road in front of witnesses

1975
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:36,960
which they drove over but they did not

1976
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:39,199
get it the driver refused to slow down

1977
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,880
and take a closer look for what these

1978
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,080
things were

1979
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:44,880
so i don't know it's it's just one of

1980
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:46,960
those oddball reports

1981
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,000
[Music]

1982
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,239
now yeah one thing one that i noticed

1983
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,239
and

1984
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:56,400
i thought might really be important

1985
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:57,679
years and years ago

1986
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,159
and i'm saying it more recent reports of

1987
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:02,719
of cryptids and ufos is that

1988
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:05,440
you keep consistently seeing and i know

1989
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:06,560
this is back

1990
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:09,679
at least in early seventies on and on

1991
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:10,719
had many

1992
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:13,920
low level close-range ufo encounters

1993
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:17,120
and many very close-range cryptid

1994
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:17,840
encounters

1995
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,719
bigfoot thunderbirds black panthers

1996
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,080
other weird entities

1997
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:24,320
occur in the vicinity of high energy

1998
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:25,520
sources

1999
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:27,840
a lot of them are around power plants

2000
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:29,920
high tension power lines

2001
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:33,040
radio communication towers gas wells gas

2002
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:33,840
lines

2003
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:36,800
railroad tracks reservoirs sources of

2004
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,520
energy

2005
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:39,440
and i don't think it's a coincidence i

2006
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,560
really believe

2007
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,640
somehow and i don't understand exactly

2008
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,719
how it works but i believe there's an

2009
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,560
energy connection to a lot of the

2010
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:49,120
phenomena we're dealing with

2011
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,159
well i i agree with you um you know

2012
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,800
kind of getting off track i mean you

2013
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:56,880
look at the tide seas

2014
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:00,719
incident and where that

2015
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:04,000
supposed craft was over the power lines

2016
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:04,400
and

2017
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:09,600
seemed like it was

2018
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:12,320
taking some type of energy off of there

2019
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,040
off of those power lines well

2020
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,600
you know more recently there have been

2021
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:19,120
two or three other

2022
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:23,120
sightings of ufos on that same power

2023
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:24,320
line within them like a

2024
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,080
mile of that of that ridge

2025
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,320
so i mean is it or they're being drawn

2026
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:33,120
there because of the high power

2027
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:40,630
it's interesting speaking of ufos stan

2028
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:44,800
what's recent in ufo sightings in pa

2029
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:47,920
um there have been a lot of interesting

2030
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:50,320
reports over the last several months

2031
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:54,640
seems like from august through september

2032
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,719
we've had some steady reports coming in

2033
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,800
uh one was outside of pittsburgh in a

2034
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:02,320
little area called springdale

2035
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,600
september 1st and

2036
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,360
that was around 10 30 at night when a

2037
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,480
witness observed this very bright light

2038
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:13,280
moving towards the west now this person

2039
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:14,719
was extremely

2040
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:17,120
familiar with medical helicopters

2041
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,480
helicopters

2042
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,719
in the area and the sound was very loud

2043
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:21,920
but it was unlike

2044
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,679
that of a metal helicopter or other

2045
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:25,199
propeller driven aircraft like a

2046
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:26,560
military helicopter

2047
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:29,040
didn't sound like a jet engine and the

2048
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,760
light was

2049
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:32,400
low in altitude maybe around a thousand

2050
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,679
feet up they estimated

2051
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,520
it was so bright and huge as it passed

2052
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,199
overhead they were able to determine

2053
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:39,280
that it definitely was not a helicopter

2054
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,880
the witness looked up and observed the

2055
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,320
bottom of a very large

2056
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,480
boomerang-shaped object they're what

2057
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,239
appear to be evenly split space

2058
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:48,480
dim white spotlight along the edge of

2059
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,000
the underside of the object

2060
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,040
the lights each had a pale yellow tin

2061
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:55,440
pins were non-blinking the underbelly

2062
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:57,920
the object had a greenish tinge to it

2063
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,239
something like the color of an avocado

2064
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:02,080
the object continued to miss this loud

2065
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,679
noise as it moved towards the east

2066
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,360
then a bank towards the south and

2067
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:07,040
quickly moved out of sight

2068
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:10,239
and the witnesses still baffled by what

2069
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,120
they saw

2070
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:14,159
another odd case was up in cambria

2071
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:14,640
county

2072
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:18,719
again this was uh august 28th

2073
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,199
and about 9 50 when a group of people

2074
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:23,280
outside near johnstown

2075
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,800
and these people are very familiar with

2076
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,800
aircraft because a lot of planes

2077
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:28,400
continually fly out of the uh

2078
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,400
john mirth or johnstown cambria airport

2079
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:32,080
up there so they're really familiar with

2080
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,040
the aircraft

2081
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:35,120
and they see the series of light appear

2082
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,640
to be attached to an object

2083
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:39,360
but there was no defined shape what was

2084
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,880
observed appear to be in the altitude of

2085
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,719
a small aircraft such as piper cub

2086
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,560
ascending from the airport moving

2087
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,239
towards the direction of pittsburgh

2088
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,480
saw a bright red non-blinking light in

2089
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,560
the center that looked to be elongated

2090
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,159
on each side of the red light was a

2091
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:54,480
non-blinking cream-colored light

2092
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,000
as the lights passed over he had there

2093
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,920
had absolutely no sound

2094
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:59,360
the witnesses ran out towards the

2095
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,760
driveway to fall the path of the object

2096
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,440
as it moved out of sight and it was

2097
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:05,920
moving uh actually towards

2098
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,440
um it'll be towards the west out towards

2099
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:11,040
the laurel ridge near ligonier which

2100
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,560
right there is your hotbed

2101
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,719
going out towards the chestnut ridge

2102
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,400
which is one of the most active places

2103
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:18,239
in the country year after year

2104
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:21,040
for a phenomena ufo sightings bigfoot

2105
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,640
other cryptid encounters

2106
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:24,080
all kind of weird phenomenal report

2107
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:25,920
along the ridge but

2108
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:28,159
anyhow in the distance at that point the

2109
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:29,360
object looked different

2110
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,719
and they said it looked something that

2111
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:33,360
looked like a clear bubble with a fuzzy

2112
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,960
looking outside edge

2113
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,719
but the interesting thing is as they're

2114
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,400
walking suddenly the object

2115
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,800
which is high in the sky drops straight

2116
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:41,920
down from the sky

2117
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:43,760
towards the ground and they're sitting

2118
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:45,679
there expecting to hear an impact or

2119
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,560
explosion

2120
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:48,080
but they heard and saw nothing after

2121
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,360
that so that's very interesting because

2122
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,760
i believe i've had one maybe two weeks

2123
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:54,640
last year

2124
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,520
of something similar get high in the sky

2125
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,520
and then dropping straight down

2126
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:01,440
there's a one case i have and i'm going

2127
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,080
from memory again this is april 2013

2128
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:06,560
this was actually in that general area

2129
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,679
near latrobe

2130
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,679
where several witnesses were looking

2131
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,760
further west in the distance

2132
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:13,360
and they saw as i recall was like a

2133
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,880
black fuselage

2134
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:17,040
of a helicopter with no blood with no

2135
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:18,000
blades

2136
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:20,000
but it was dropping straight down out of

2137
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:21,280
the sky

2138
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,719
straight towards the ground from a high

2139
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:24,560
altitude have lights along the side of

2140
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:25,120
it

2141
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:29,760
different directions

2142
01:16:34,229 --> 01:16:32,640
and they both approached the object and

2143
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:34,239
the witnesses were pretty far away and

2144
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:35,440
they couldn't tell exactly what happened

2145
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,760
but

2146
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:38,400
the one jet looked like it either fired

2147
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,040
on it

2148
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:42,080
or somehow touched it because at the

2149
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:43,520
moment that happened

2150
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:46,560
that black fuselage thing began to spin

2151
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:48,560
faster and faster and was dropping

2152
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,159
faster towards the ground

2153
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,320
far in the distance but we never had any

2154
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:53,920
reports of any crashes

2155
01:17:01,189 --> 01:17:00,149
hey we got a question uh we got a

2156
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:01,199
question uh

2157
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,280
uh stan um these creature reports

2158
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:08,400
any of them that you've had has there

2159
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:09,600
been any aggression

2160
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:13,760
showed toward the witnesses at all

2161
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,920
you know it's nothing that's that common

2162
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:17,360
especially with all the the bigfoot

2163
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,800
cases i mean i was looking at the

2164
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,560
hundreds of bigfoot reports going back

2165
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,159
to this late 60s

2166
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,440
and as so many witnesses told me that if

2167
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,880
these things wanted to hurt them

2168
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:28,000
especially from hunters

2169
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:30,320
these things easily kind of outrun them

2170
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:32,560
could have could have hurt them badly

2171
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:34,080
but they don't seem to be aggressive

2172
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:35,679
towards people they seem to be

2173
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:38,960
very curious of human activity

2174
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:41,679
um they seem to be curious you know of

2175
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,880
even youngsters

2176
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:45,280
but not in any way harming them but

2177
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:47,120
we've had cases over the years

2178
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,560
and it's been years ago we have some

2179
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,719
cases where they should be very curious

2180
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:51,920
of maybe like young

2181
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,000
very young children like babies crying

2182
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,320
maybe because they made a similar sound

2183
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,560
because as you're aware with some of the

2184
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,239
bigfoot case we had over the years

2185
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:02,400
they seemed to make a number of

2186
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:03,600
different prominent

2187
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:06,960
sounds one was like a woman screaming

2188
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:09,440
one's like a baby crying was like a

2189
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,960
high-pitched whistle

2190
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:13,199
another one very common in which which

2191
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,719
we taped the sound

2192
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,480
uh some nights when we're staking out

2193
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:18,320
back in those days it's like somebody

2194
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:19,120
with asthma

2195
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,679
like very heavy deep breathing like they

2196
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:23,440
can't catch their breath

2197
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:25,600
in fact one night on a farm in derry

2198
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,480
township

2199
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,320
which has a long history of these

2200
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:30,000
ongoing bigfoot reports

2201
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,199
and during 73 these things were there

2202
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:35,280
you know reportedly quite often we're

2203
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,880
staking out farms in different areas

2204
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:38,560
where these things have been seen

2205
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,640
and i got a call from this one farm that

2206
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,159
this thing had just been

2207
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:44,480
at the farm in the barn and there were

2208
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:46,159
very strange three-toed footprints in

2209
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:46,960
the barn

2210
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,679
the animals were very fearful just like

2211
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:50,480
we mentioned

2212
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:52,960
and they had a big cornfield and it was

2213
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:53,760
dark

2214
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:56,480
and something very heavy was running

2215
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:58,400
ahead of us in the cornfield making that

2216
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,760
very loud

2217
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:02,000
um sound like somewhat asthma and we

2218
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:03,600
chased after it we could never catch up

2219
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:08,880
to whatever it was now

2220
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:11,920
uh yeah and i'm i i think particularly

2221
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:15,280
dog man or the uh the bipedal canine

2222
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:18,800
the question is uh are the yellow and

2223
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,679
amber eyes

2224
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,679
is that is that fairly prevalent in

2225
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:24,719
these cases of these reports

2226
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:27,600
they're not common in all reports um

2227
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:28,239
there are some

2228
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:29,920
very interesting cases with these things

2229
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:31,760
reportedly have self-luminescent glowing

2230
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:32,320
eyes

2231
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,159
and interestingly they weren't occurring

2232
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:38,320
where you had a lot of reflective light

2233
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:40,159
you didn't have a bright moon that night

2234
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:41,360
you didn't have any

2235
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:44,800
lights near it to reflect and glare um

2236
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:47,199
some of these cases they were glowing

2237
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:48,560
you know your your typical

2238
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:51,920
kind of amber reddish orange orange some

2239
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:54,400
very bright green colored like the the

2240
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:55,760
creatures were seen on the field that

2241
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:57,120
night in uniontown they had the bright

2242
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,560
green glowing eyes

2243
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,199
i said cases where these creatures would

2244
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:03,120
change the direction of her head

2245
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:04,880
and the eye color would change from one

2246
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:06,719
color to the other

2247
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:09,920
and uh just it's just amazing what

2248
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,480
you're going to

2249
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,560
it's just like with the smell there is

2250
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:14,400
not always an odor attributed with

2251
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:15,199
bigfoot

2252
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:17,360
yes in many cases with that featured

2253
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:19,840
smell which i have smelled

2254
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:23,120
uh but in some cases there is no smell

2255
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:24,960
whatsoever

2256
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:27,120
i've got a theory on that and i don't

2257
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:28,159
know exactly

2258
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:30,800
how it fits in but my theory for years

2259
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:32,800
is that the smell

2260
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:35,920
is somehow is involved with the process

2261
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:36,719
of these things

2262
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,719
coming into our physical reality

2263
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:40,800
becoming into that physical state or

2264
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:42,159
period disappearing

2265
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:47,910
that's interesting that that is

2266
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,840
interesting i never even thought about

2267
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:52,080
that

2268
01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:00,320
god and then you just kind of threw me

2269
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:02,639
one there i didn't even think about that

2270
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,360
i i guess well i guess that could be for

2271
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,120
any cryptid i guess

2272
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,960
uh some type of uh physical

2273
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:10,560
manifestation

2274
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:13,760
could be caused when it moves in and out

2275
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:14,080
or

2276
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:17,280
when it comes in to our plane maybe

2277
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:18,159
there's something

2278
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:22,880
never even thought about that

2279
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:25,440
yeah it's interesting and uh and i was

2280
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:26,560
just kind of mentioning this let me see

2281
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:28,239
i lost my trend of thought so we'll

2282
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,310
i don't know that's what happens at old

2283
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:38,320
oh my god don't say that you know my

2284
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:40,480
i hear the same thing my son says that

2285
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,440
to me

2286
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:43,199
and i said i take you telling him i said

2287
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:45,520
well you'll find out one day

2288
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:47,440
oh i know what i want to mention to you

2289
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,960
you know when you're out there in the

2290
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,880
field and you spent

2291
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:52,880
days and nights and years doing this you

2292
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:55,120
hear a lot of interesting little tidbits

2293
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:58,000
and we found something years ago that

2294
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:58,719
witnesses

2295
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:01,360
uh kept bringing up and you don't hear

2296
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:03,199
about it very often but on occasion i

2297
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,560
have people still bring it up

2298
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:06,080
because they don't know how it relates

2299
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,679
and nor do i

2300
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:09,520
but people who are having bigfoot

2301
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,719
sightings and sometimes

2302
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:12,880
reoccurring sightings on their property

2303
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:14,320
were reporting

2304
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:17,840
what sounded like tearing metal or metal

2305
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,440
on metal sound when these things

2306
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:21,760
were around yeah you mentioned that down

2307
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:22,480
in

2308
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,760
i really don't know i don't know how it

2309
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:38,800
relates to it

2310
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:41,840
but uh it's it's very interesting and

2311
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:42,560
and we get

2312
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:44,159
we've got a lot of these interesting

2313
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:46,239
tidbits down there around dairy township

2314
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:49,280
excuse me out around the ridge again

2315
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,880
back in the 70s

2316
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,320
and then you know i had that really

2317
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:54,560
weird case that happened back in march

2318
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:56,800
of 97

2319
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,400
i wrote about in my real mysterious

2320
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:00,400
pennsylvania book

2321
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:03,840
yeah go ahead no i'm

2322
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:06,239
you know i don't have a question okay i

2323
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:07,040
thought i heard somebody

2324
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,520
say something no no okay but this was uh

2325
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:13,920
oh this was a case where early morning

2326
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:15,280
hours

2327
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,400
it was around three o'clock in the

2328
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,560
morning out from derry township this is

2329
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,400
a very rural area

2330
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:22,000
these fellows work at night and they

2331
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,520
were coming through the area and i think

2332
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:25,199
it was a little van

2333
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:28,639
and um they lost

2334
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:31,440
expensive hubcap and it rolled across

2335
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,239
the road

2336
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:34,560
into an area over there which had a

2337
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:37,760
bunch of old car bodies laying around

2338
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:40,880
and um the one

2339
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:44,000
one fellow stayed in the vehicle in fact

2340
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:45,280
he had a walkie-talkie or something he

2341
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:46,480
was just checking out they had muscle

2342
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:48,000
walkie-talkies and they the other

2343
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:49,520
two guys were out in the field they took

2344
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:51,679
a walkie-talkie with them as i recall

2345
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,920
and they were walking around out there

2346
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:55,679
and um

2347
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:58,400
anyhow they they also heard that like

2348
01:24:01,669 --> 01:24:00,239
metal on metals

2349
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:01,679
that's one of the keys that brought that

2350
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:04,080
up and they're also hearing

2351
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:07,520
the noise and they are in shock

2352
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:09,840
because what they see is not a dog but a

2353
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:11,920
huge white hair covered eight flight

2354
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:12,639
creature

2355
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,159
rising up from the ground and

2356
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:19,040
the one guy is panicking he runs out of

2357
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,920
the air

2358
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:21,280
and the other guy stood there for

2359
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,639
several seconds trying to get a better

2360
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,760
look at this thing to figure out what

2361
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:25,679
he's seeing and he finally runs off

2362
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,360
and i think he radioed that a guy hurry

2363
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,199
up struck the engine start the engine

2364
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:31,440
well the one guy running out of there i

2365
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:32,480
believe he dropped

2366
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:36,000
a set of keys and he had his dad's

2367
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:39,040
really really good knife or something it

2368
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:40,480
was a special knife they didn't want to

2369
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:41,120
lose

2370
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,560
but he dropped it on the scene when they

2371
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:44,320
were running so they went back out there

2372
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,600
and they glide out that area really

2373
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:47,199
quick well here's the interesting little

2374
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:48,960
bit

2375
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:51,120
as they're riding down this country road

2376
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:53,360
three o'clock in the morning

2377
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:56,400
um they're run they're leaving that area

2378
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,600
very quickly

2379
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,960
and all of a sudden coming from the

2380
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:01,440
opposite direction is this upscale red

2381
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:02,480
and silver chevy

2382
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,679
dually chevy uh goalie truck

2383
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:07,040
that passes them in the opposite

2384
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:09,199
direction at a really fast rate of speed

2385
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:12,480
and they watched door he pulls off on

2386
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,520
the side road

2387
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:16,080
and turns around and begins to fall and

2388
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,159
fall them down the road

2389
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,159
and this chevy truck increased its speed

2390
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:22,000
and came up right on the rear bumper of

2391
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:23,920
their vehicle

2392
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:26,239
kept that position about half a mile and

2393
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:27,760
each man in the car had to show you that

2394
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,880
whoever was in the truck

2395
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:30,480
was trying to obtain their license

2396
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:32,080
number and the truck

2397
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:34,080
finally stopped abruptly in the road

2398
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:35,280
started backing up

2399
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:36,880
turned off its lights and back into a

2400
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:39,360
side road when the three witnesses

2401
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,400
continued on

2402
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:42,719
to their residence so one guy lived not

2403
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,639
too far from her down the road

2404
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:46,400
and i can't remember i don't remember

2405
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:47,600
with camera one the other fellas are the

2406
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,480
ones

2407
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,080
oh one of the other fellas that dropped

2408
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:53,199
the knife and the keys i believe it was

2409
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,440
and he wanted to go back to the site

2410
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:57,120
later on well the one guy said he's not

2411
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,159
going back

2412
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,880
so he and another guy they go back down

2413
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:02,400
there now this guy

2414
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:05,760
has a very nice car at the time that was

2415
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:06,800
modified for

2416
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:09,040
with a high-speed engine for racing so

2417
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:10,400
it's put a lot of money into this

2418
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,360
vehicle

2419
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:13,360
and they go off to that scene and they

2420
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,960
had one of those 12-volt

2421
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,880
high-powered spotlights so they're

2422
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:18,239
shining it all around

2423
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,239
looking on the ground and shining around

2424
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:22,080
those car bar things in there

2425
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:24,320
and suddenly the creature comes around

2426
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,440
the corner

2427
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:27,040
and they hit the beam of light directly

2428
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:29,360
on the creature and they get a really

2429
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,400
good look at this thing

2430
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:32,880
and the blinding light was concentrated

2431
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,600
on the head

2432
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,280
and the beast appear to be getting

2433
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,760
agitated by the concentrated bright beam

2434
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:40,000
walking upright on two legs began to

2435
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:40,880
chase the car

2436
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,800
down the road got within about three

2437
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:44,159
feet from the rear bumper

2438
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:46,320
and continued to fall down for for a

2439
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:47,280
short distance

2440
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:50,639
as they pulled away down down the road

2441
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:54,480
so anyhow and it gets even better so

2442
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:57,280
as they're watching this um they said

2443
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:58,159
this thing

2444
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:01,280
um first stoop then later down was on

2445
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,000
all fours

2446
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:04,560
and was walking upright like a man the

2447
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:06,159
sound of something heavy was apparent

2448
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:07,440
when the creature moved across the

2449
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,320
ground

2450
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,400
and they were going in the description

2451
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:12,239
this thing how big it was

2452
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:15,440
the um the eyes seemed to be uh

2453
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:16,880
pinkish in color almost appeared on

2454
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:18,639
almost egg shapes

2455
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,080
and uh anyhow so there's a third time

2456
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:24,080
when the guy goes back by himself the

2457
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:25,040
guy with the high

2458
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,960
powered vehicle because he's the one who

2459
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,560
lost the keys in the knife

2460
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:30,560
and he pulls an area to turn he opens

2461
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:32,080
his door and he sees the keys

2462
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,679
he's afraid to get out he just reaches

2463
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:35,360
down and grabs the keys

2464
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:38,400
um then all of a sudden

2465
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:40,560
he look um i'm trying to remember all

2466
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:41,520
the details here

2467
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:43,679
he's here there's a big thump towards

2468
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:45,040
the rear of his car

2469
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,120
he looks into the rear view mirror and

2470
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:49,120
shocked to see that this huge hairy

2471
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:50,719
creature is landing on the back of the

2472
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:51,440
car

2473
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,400
peering it into the rear window its eyes

2474
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:56,159
seem to have a reddish glow

2475
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,000
the driver pushed down hard on the gas

2476
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,760
trying to quickly exit the area but the

2477
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:01,360
car wouldn't move

2478
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,840
as a man continues to hit the gas the

2479
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:05,760
sound from his tail pipes are getting so

2480
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:06,719
loud by the moment

2481
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:09,040
and suddenly the creature was no longer

2482
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,239
in the car he was on

2483
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:12,480
and he was able to make a quick getaway

2484
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,000
and the man felt certain there was

2485
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,000
the car side pitch noise that finally

2486
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:18,400
made the creature leave the vehicle

2487
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:20,960
the man later after that happened he ran

2488
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,239
down the road was a little one of those

2489
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,320
24-hour convenience stores

2490
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:26,000
and he just stopped there i guess get a

2491
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:27,360
coffee just to try to

2492
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:29,440
recover from what happened and he had

2493
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:31,440
his eye on it on the car and of course

2494
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:32,800
that time in the morning we threw a few

2495
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:33,600
people around

2496
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:35,679
but i called it a teenager pulled up

2497
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:36,800
near his car

2498
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,760
and they were going over there and

2499
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:40,000
apparently admiring his car

2500
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:43,280
and he's walking out the door and

2501
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,679
um so well the guys mentioned what a

2502
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,199
nice card was

2503
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,440
and um and one of the guys still telling

2504
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:51,360
you about were you attacked by some kind

2505
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:51,679
of an

2506
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:54,480
animal and the man looked and at the bet

2507
01:29:02,070 --> 01:28:56,159
on the back

2508
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:02,080
on in the back of the car there were

2509
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,080
these deep scratches

2510
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:06,719
um cut into the metal and the paint as a

2511
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:08,560
rear vehicle and there was like two very

2512
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:10,400
long scratches

2513
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:13,360
and anyhow there's a picture of it in

2514
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:14,239
the book

2515
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:16,960
and it got more interesting because i

2516
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,880
got a call about uh

2517
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:20,400
around 3 30 4 in the morning i can't

2518
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:21,840
remember exactly when it was very early

2519
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:23,120
morning hours

2520
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,880
and found out what happened interviewed

2521
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,639
couple of witnesses told me i want to

2522
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:28,080
meet with them as soon as i could that

2523
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:28,880
day

2524
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:31,600
and i made plans to go out and meet them

2525
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:33,520
take pictures photographs whatever which

2526
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:34,719
i did

2527
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,120
and the uh interesting little thing came

2528
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:41,280
up because one of the key witnesses

2529
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,719
didn't show up that day and i said to

2530
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:44,320
his buddy well he was able to meet me

2531
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:45,679
and he said well

2532
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:47,600
uh he was a little hesitant to meet you

2533
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:49,440
but he later did

2534
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:53,280
and he went on to say that

2535
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,199
about 10 minutes after i had talked to

2536
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:56,800
him on the phone

2537
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,520
he received a disturbing phone call and

2538
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:01,600
he said the best he could remember

2539
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:05,360
it was a fella that said something about

2540
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:06,159
um

2541
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,159
that he was uh with the fbi

2542
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:12,239
and uh he said about the incident last

2543
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,239
night forget about what you saw

2544
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:16,000
and i strongly suggest you don't talk

2545
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:24,629
anyhow uh that was interesting the guy

2546
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:27,920
later met with me and

2547
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:29,920
the other fellow who still lived with

2548
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,480
his parents apparently that day

2549
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:34,719
to uh chevy caprices like which the

2550
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:35,600
government the

2551
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:36,880
law enforcement people used to you quite

2552
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:38,800
a bit back in the day

2553
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:41,520
two men in each vehicle showed up at his

2554
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:42,320
house

2555
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:44,000
and wanted to talk to him about the

2556
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:45,679
incident and i guess

2557
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:49,120
he was left with a similar message and

2558
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:50,880
anyhow it was a very very intriguing

2559
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:53,679
case i did write to the fbi

2560
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,800
and because i was interested to see if

2561
01:31:00,149 --> 01:30:58,080
they may have been involved

2562
01:31:01,189 --> 01:31:00,159
we have no way to confirm if they were

2563
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:01,199
but they never

2564
01:31:04,470 --> 01:31:02,960
they never contacted me which i thought

2565
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:04,480
was a little unusual

2566
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:07,760
and um anyhow it was a very interesting

2567
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,159
case

2568
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:10,560
the whole thing is how did they know

2569
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:11,440
about the incident

2570
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:12,960
how they know these guys were involved

2571
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:15,120
it was either they got their license

2572
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:18,159
number and were tracing the phone or

2573
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:20,400
were they possibly already listening to

2574
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:21,840
some of the conversations that were

2575
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:23,120
coming into my house

2576
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:26,560
which there there have been indications

2577
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:28,159
of that over the years with some of the

2578
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:29,280
incidents i worked on

2579
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:31,280
which i'm reluctant to say but there

2580
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:32,800
were other people that were able to

2581
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:33,520
confirm

2582
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:36,480
what was happening over the years well

2583
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:38,480
welcome to the club i've had i've had it

2584
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:39,360
happen too

2585
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:42,400
just give me a heads up

2586
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:45,280
i had him come to the door as fact uh

2587
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:45,840
one

2588
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:49,440
occasion uh yeah i mean you know

2589
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:51,840
you hear this and i heard somebody

2590
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:54,000
talking about on rail the other night

2591
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,880
uh about the government knowing about

2592
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:58,719
these uh

2593
01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:00,320
you know about these cryptids in

2594
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:02,800
particular these bigfoot type creatures

2595
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:04,639
they know about it i mean come on you

2596
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:07,280
know it how couldn't they know about it

2597
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:09,280
and the protective of it the inner

2598
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:10,400
information and

2599
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:14,000
uh you know i it doesn't seem to bother

2600
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:15,840
them with certain reports and such come

2601
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:17,360
out but boy i'm telling you

2602
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:19,360
if if the right one comes out they're

2603
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:20,719
gonna hop on and they're gonna try to

2604
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:22,400
stop it

2605
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:24,719
well i've i've seen indication for many

2606
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:25,679
years

2607
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:27,360
that the government has an interest

2608
01:32:31,910 --> 01:32:29,520
about ufo and bigfoot cases

2609
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,920
yeah and um there is no doubt that in

2610
01:32:34,470 --> 01:32:33,840
some of the cases i was involved in some

2611
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:34,480
of them were

2612
01:32:38,470 --> 01:32:36,880
really spectacular events that there was

2613
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:38,480
in indications that there was a

2614
01:32:40,629 --> 01:32:38,960
government

2615
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:40,639
involvement in some of those cases later

2616
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:42,239
on um

2617
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:45,920
going away back to that case um

2618
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:48,480
the ufo landing case in october 73 in

2619
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,520
uniontown

2620
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:51,840
you know that was just an amazing case

2621
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:53,199
and

2622
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:55,120
there were some oddball aspects to it

2623
01:32:59,430 --> 01:32:57,440
including the fact that um

2624
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:59,440
you know years after that event happened

2625
01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:01,280
like in some of these important cases

2626
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:03,040
we would quite often keep in touch with

2627
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:05,600
witnesses and came in contact with them

2628
01:33:12,149 --> 01:33:08,800
for years to see if anything happened or

2629
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:12,159
anything new took place and um

2630
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:14,320
on a follow-up back to probably about

2631
01:33:19,830 --> 01:33:17,199
the 1980s and that happened in 73

2632
01:33:20,790 --> 01:33:19,840
my assistant george lutz and i went up

2633
01:33:23,830 --> 01:33:20,800
to fault with this

2634
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:23,840
with the key eyewitness we never ever

2635
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:25,600
hypnotized him and again i

2636
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:26,719
don't have time to get into the whole

2637
01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:29,040
story but dr brookholt shorts was a

2638
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:31,120
famous psychiatrist at the time

2639
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:33,040
who was interested in these cases a week

2640
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:34,560
up here on his own time

2641
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:36,080
interviewing all the witnesses and the

2642
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:37,199
state trooper and the people were

2643
01:33:40,149 --> 01:33:38,239
involved

2644
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:40,159
and uh he went away convinced these

2645
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:41,440
people all telling the truth

2646
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:43,840
but he recommended not to do any

2647
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:45,679
hypnosis at that time

2648
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:48,639
years later situation changed a little

2649
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:50,639
and we disconsidered the possibility

2650
01:33:53,669 --> 01:33:51,600
because we had some

2651
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,679
professionals in our group who were well

2652
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:55,360
trained to do that type of thing

2653
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:57,760
and we just talked to the witness steve

2654
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,880
and we just said

2655
01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:00,800
you know we find him and see if he had

2656
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,560
an interest in it and he looked at

2657
01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:04,560
myself and george very strange and he

2658
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:05,199
said

2659
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:11,750
and we look like whoa what do you mean

2660
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:13,280
well

2661
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:15,360
an incident happened to him within a

2662
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,199
week or two after the actual event

2663
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:19,199
happened because you know my team was up

2664
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:19,520
there

2665
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:21,840
quite often yeah he interviewed him and

2666
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:23,760
other people in doing investigation for

2667
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:24,719
weeks

2668
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:27,840
and these two men who visited him

2669
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:29,760
he always thought they were somehow part

2670
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:30,960
of my research group

2671
01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:33,199
but they weren't i guess he knew that my

2672
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,480
sister george

2673
01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:36,560
was in the it was a major in the air

2674
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:38,639
force reserves but of course

2675
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:40,400
he never wore his air force uniform

2676
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:42,159
we're out of investigations

2677
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:46,000
and anyhow he he told us that

2678
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:48,400
these two men came to the house one man

2679
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:50,320
was in a dark suit

2680
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:51,840
the other man was in an air force

2681
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:53,199
uniform and a guy in the air force

2682
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:54,080
uniform

2683
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:58,159
was carrying a briefcase and

2684
01:35:01,510 --> 01:34:59,840
they wanted to interview him and they

2685
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:01,520
wanted him to recall

2686
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:03,520
all the information about what he saw in

2687
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:05,920
the field what the creatures looked like

2688
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:09,040
talk describe the ufo and then

2689
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:11,280
interestingly the air force guy opens

2690
01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:12,800
his briefcase and pulls out a bunch of

2691
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:13,679
pictures

2692
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:18,960
and they wanted to know if any of the

2693
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:20,639
bigfoot pictures look similar to what he

2694
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,199
saw

2695
01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:22,960
and i remember him telling me one

2696
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,320
specific picture

2697
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:26,880
was a bigfoot carrying a i believe it

2698
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:28,639
was the dead pig

2699
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:31,440
over a fence from georgia and they want

2700
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:32,880
to know if it looks similar to what he

2701
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:33,920
saw

2702
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:38,000
they wanted to know if it looked similar

2703
01:35:41,669 --> 01:35:40,480
and then as they continued the research

2704
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:41,679
investigation

2705
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:42,880
they asked permission they could

2706
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:44,960
hypnotize them and apparently they did

2707
01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:47,360
and after it was all over the guys said

2708
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:49,520
that they would be in touch with him

2709
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:51,760
and he never heard from him again and of

2710
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:52,880
course i

2711
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:54,960
sent a request to the air force but you

2712
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:56,800
got to remember the government the air

2713
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:58,719
force was officially

2714
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:01,280
out of ufo research actually in early

2715
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:03,040
night in january 1970

2716
01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:07,040
when the project was done right so

2717
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,239
who these guys were we don't know

2718
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:13,600
i can also tell you that um

2719
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:15,199
there was no doubt there was some other

2720
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,320
government interest in our

2721
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:18,560
investigations at the time

2722
01:36:23,830 --> 01:36:21,440
i had received the phone call during the

2723
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:23,840
the really active time in 73 from a man

2724
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,800
who told me he was

2725
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:26,880
working for the government that they

2726
01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:28,719
were aware of the investigation we were

2727
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:30,400
doing

2728
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:33,040
i was provided a phone number a

2729
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:34,639
washington dc phone number for a

2730
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:35,600
laboratory

2731
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:38,159
the name of a contact an address there

2732
01:36:41,510 --> 01:36:39,679
in the event that we would come up with

2733
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,520
a body or any really

2734
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:43,760
conclusive evidence which we didn't have

2735
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:44,960
enough to really work with

2736
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:48,000
i never called it but later on it wasn't

2737
01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:48,960
long after that

2738
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,239
i did have a call from a government

2739
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,480
representative's office and two of those

2740
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:56,159
government people did come to my house

2741
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:56,800
and we had

2742
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:59,119
long conversations and i got to know

2743
01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:00,800
them quite well and we kept in touch for

2744
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,159
many many years

2745
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,560
and they were very open minded to what

2746
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:06,480
we were doing they were very helpful

2747
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:08,000
they were very interested in what was

2748
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:09,600
going on they wanted to be kept updated

2749
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,880
which they were

2750
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:12,719
but they also i gave them the phone

2751
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:14,719
number that that i was provided

2752
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:17,280
and they confirmed that it was a uh an

2753
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:18,400
actual government

2754
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:24,390
well stan i think we're going to wrap it

2755
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,920
up and uh

2756
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:27,600
how can how can people get in touch with

2757
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,280
you well

2758
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:31,199
um they can get in touch with me uh

2759
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:32,960
through my website which is

2760
01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:38,159
a www dot stan gordon dot info info

2761
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:41,119
uh they can call me i i deal mainly in

2762
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:43,040
pa calls but i get calls from all over

2763
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:44,159
the country and out of the country

2764
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:45,040
sometimes

2765
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:48,000
my number seven four eight three eight

2766
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:48,719
seven seven

2767
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:51,520
six eight uh my books are all available

2768
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:52,159
now

2769
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:55,280
at uh amazon.com barnes noble.com or

2770
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:56,639
other booksellers

2771
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,639
and the new book is uh this out recently

2772
01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:00,400
as you mentioned it's called

2773
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:02,560
astonishing encounters pennsylvania's

2774
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:04,480
unknown creatures and it has some

2775
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:06,639
very interesting very strange reference

2776
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,840
in there

2777
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:09,600
and i have yeah it's it's very

2778
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:11,920
interesting as well absolutely

2779
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:14,480
uh stan as always thanks for joining us

2780
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:15,360
man

2781
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:17,040
it's always a pleasure to have you on

2782
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:18,560
with us always

2783
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:20,000
and i appreciate you having me thanks

2784
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:23,280
guys our pleasure take care

2785
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:30,229
stay in gordon it doesn't get any better

2786
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:31,520
than that one

2787
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:34,320
well i it's interesting that he's had uh

2788
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some

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involvement with the uh i don't say men

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in black but government people

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and uh it happens man i'm telling you

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don't we know we've been trying to get a

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couple things offline

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yeah i mean it happens it does yeah

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so let's see next week we have mike

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ricksecker on with us he's an author

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01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:57,600
paranormal author

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01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:00,880
and he's what he considers himself as a

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01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:05,600
ghost taurean uh a ghost historian

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and uh we're gonna we're gonna talk

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about some spooky stuff

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uh rick's from as i think he's actually

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01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:14,000
living in maryland he's written a book

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about

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01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:16,639
some of the crazy stuff that goes on in

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01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:18,719
this state where i live at

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01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:20,880
and uh we're gonna be talking about the

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01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:22,880
spooks next week and uh it should be

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interesting

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gonna be a great show and folks better

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01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:28,320
sound this week here on arcane radio

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thanks to our good friend and sound guy

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dustin kinley

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and uh we're very grateful for his

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01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:35,119
assistance who's going to be sitting in

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01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:36,800
the studio with us each and

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01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:38,719
every week when he can to make sure we

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sound as lovely

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01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:42,639
as we do tonight lon thanks for joining

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01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:45,520
us tonight and being our uh

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01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,239
bear wearer of all hats i guess the man

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who keeps it going

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and uh folks we'll catch you next week